US and Soviet Union in World War II (was: From Appomatox

[Muzzy]

Starting a new thread to continue this discussion.

Here's the statistics regarding the U.S. vs Soviet Union efforts in World War II.

Casualties

Soviet Union: Anywhere from 8 to 10 million deaths.

United States: 137 000 dead.

Overall, half the casualties in the entire war were Russian.

Effects of Lend Lease

U.S. Lend Lease provided for critical deliveries of food and raw materials, but only accounted for 14% of the Red Air Force's planes and a fewer percentage of tanks.  However, logistical support in the form of locomotives, rail cars, and trucks were indispensable to the Soviet war effort. So, not much in the way of arms, but very important in terms of logistics.

In terms of territory the front line ran a distance equal to that between Baltimore Maryland and Cheyenne Wyoming, so if you can imagine almost a third of the United States being churned into a battle zone where 20 million people were killed, and Chicago being battered and starved for 900 days, then you kind of get the picture.

Give the devil his due.  The Red Army defeated the bulk of the German Army on the battlefield, and probably could have won the war even if D-Day never happened.  They could not have won without our M-3's though.

[oakranger]

Or how about the dictator that forced millions of Russians to their death. Germans could not keep up as they where being over run.   

[zack1234]

  USSR for defending their Motherland.

Germans could not keep up because they could not finish what they started.


Again these threads will contain no input from any Germans.

[BoilerDown]

I'm not Canadian but I did grow up in Detroit with access to two Canadian TV channels, so maybe I'm sympathetic to them.

I find this interesting:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Canada_during_World_War_II

Particularly:

Over the course of the war, 1.1 million Canadians served in the Army, Navy, and Air Force. Of these more than 45,000 lost their lives and another 54,000 were wounded.[5]The financial cost was $21,786,077,519.12, between the 1939 and 1950 fiscal years.[6] By the end of the War, Canada had the world's fourth largest air force,[7] and third largest navy.[8] As well, the Canadian Merchant Navy completed over 25,000 voyages across the Atlantic.

and

On June 6, 1944, the 3rd Canadian Division landed on Juno Beach in the Battle of Normandy and sustained 50% casualties in their first hour of attack. By the end of D-Day, the Canadians had penetrated deeper into France than either the British or the American troops at their landing sites, overcoming stronger resistance than any of the other beachheads except Omaha Beach.

Given how many "powers" are considered to be in WW2, its interesting to consider which of them ended up smaller in size than Canada's Navy and Air Force.  Also interesting Canada's casualties compared to the size of its population when compared to the US's.

[zack1234]

Canadian force's were all volenteers?

[Tyrannis]

Starting a new thread to continue this discussion.

Here's the statistics regarding the U.S. vs Soviet Union efforts in World War II.

Casualties

Soviet Union: Anywhere from 8 to 10 million deaths.

United States: 137 000 dead.

Overall, half the casualties in the entire war were Russian.

Effects of Lend Lease

U.S. Lend Lease provided for critical deliveries of food and raw materials, but only accounted for 14% of the Red Air Force's planes and a fewer percentage of tanks.  However, logistical support in the form of locomotives, rail cars, and trucks were indispensable to the Soviet war effort. So, not much in the way of arms, but very important in terms of logistics.

In terms of territory the front line ran a distance equal to that between Baltimore Maryland and Cheyenne Wyoming, so if you can imagine almost a third of the United States being churned into a battle zone where 20 million people were killed, and Chicago being battered and starved for 900 days, then you kind of get the picture.

Give the devil his due.  The Red Army defeated the bulk of the German Army on the battlefield, and probably could have won the war even if D-Day never happened.  They could not have won without our M-3's though.

im no expert on world war two, but while russia was fighting on the ground, american/british bombers were pounding away at the german homeland way before russia even got close to it. the german war machine on the russian front failed to get resupplyed many times due to the massive bomb raids conducted by the 8th airforce and others. if it wasent for us destroying the german factories in the motherland, then those german troops on the russian front would of been much better equiped and supplyed. and from what ive learned, russia only reached berlin first because we let them. something about a treaty between the u.s and russia. we give them berlin in exchange for there help in the pacific.

[Stoney]

Give the devil his due. 

This thread will not end well...

[zack1234]

Hitlers father was his Uncle explains a lot that.

[Mirage]

Canadian force's were all volenteers?

no we were still part of british commonwealth back then, so we went where you guys did

[zack1234]

Just read a article that only non conscripted men fought in the war from Canada and any conscripts were for canadian defense only

[Mirage]

sorry bout that, I opened my mouth before I understood what you were saying/asking

[Wmaker]

United States: 137 000 dead.

I wonder which source this figure is from?

The figure I've seen usually varies a bit but is usually over 290,000 KIA.

[zack1234]

sorry bout that, I opened my mouth before I understood what you were saying/asking

Is that German bloke on your squad pic riding a push bike?

[Dichotomy]

I'm not Canadian but I did grow up in Detroit with access to two Canadian TV channels, so maybe I'm sympathetic to them.

I find this interesting:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Canada_during_World_War_II

Particularly:and
Given how many "powers" are considered to be in WW2, its interesting to consider which of them ended up smaller in size than Canada's Navy and Air Force.  Also interesting Canada's casualties compared to the size of its population when compared to the US's.

I think Canadas contributions to the war effort are WAY overlooked.  Haven't read a lot about it but intend to.

[Yeager]

US Suffered 416,000 military deaths during WW2.