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Re: winning hi alt fights
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2011, 10:09:47 PM »
Hmmm. I sense S.A.P.P. approaching. Clear the runways! :D
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Re: winning hi alt fights
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2011, 10:14:53 PM »
I have a question for the uber sticks out there.  I like to get into high altitude fights above 15k but I have one problem:  I don't know how to shoot down the other guy without getting the upper hand and then driving them down to the ground where I can corner them.  When there is more than one nme I can't even do this because it would mean blowing my e.  It seems there is just too much room to manover defensively.  Any tips?  Minus five points to the first guy that says HO them.

 aircraft handle very differently up that high. you need to be more gentle on the controls, as you're gonna stall more easily.
 when you merge, if the con goes down, do not follow. if he wants to fight, he has to come back up to you. other than that, it's almost like fighting down low, 'cept there's no ground to hit. those fights are a blast.
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Re: winning hi alt fights
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2011, 11:49:35 PM »
If there is one person (other than "chalenge") that knows about high alts. That would be AKAK.


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When it comes to high alt fights I like to keep my speed and avoid turning much.. gets tricky 20K+

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Re: winning hi alt fights
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2011, 11:53:23 PM »
LOL!!

When it comes to high alt fights I like to keep my speed and avoid turning much.. gets tricky 20K+
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Re: winning hi alt fights
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2011, 01:10:48 AM »
aircraft handle very differently up that high. you need to be more gentle on the controls, as you're gonna stall more easily.
 when you merge, if the con goes down, do not follow. if he wants to fight, he has to come back up to you. other than that, it's almost like fighting down low, 'cept there's no ground to hit. those fights are a blast.

best advice I read so far was the first four sentences of CAP1's reply:

  • aircraft handle very differently up that high.
  • you need to be more gentle on the controls, as you're gonna stall more easily.
  • when you merge, if the con goes down, do not follow.
  • if he wants to fight, he has to come back up to you.
   


This is information you need to engrave into your noggin , to remember while at higher altitudes.....

figuratively speaking, it takes twice the distance and nearly twice the time to do a 360 degree turn / circle at lets say 22.5 K alt while maintaining a 270 mph IAS speed than it does performing the same 360 degree turn / circle while maintaining a 270 mph IAS speed down lower around lets say 5 K alt........
 the air is much thinner at high altitude,  the faster ( read as HARDER ) you turn the quicker you bleed your energy and the faster you will find yourself losing altitude trying to keep your aircraft's speed up.........

 when flying & Dog Fighting at high Altitude use "Low - G" Maneuvers  and conserve every last ounce of "E" ( Energy ) you can squeeze out of your plane....  use more aileron authority verses using the elevators to roll and gently pull to switch directions, instead of rapidly rolling and yanking to point that lift vector when turning or trying to keep your nose on your opponent...... try to coerce your opponent to blow their planes speed/energy on you trying to get them to maneuver for a guns solution........ yet only present them with as small a shot window or slim view of your aircraft.......... always be very conscience of what you are trying to tempt your opponent into doing.. entice them to waste their energy....

High Altitude Dog Fighting is more like a "Chess Match" while down in the weeds Dog Fighting is like your basic recess time for  some kids game of Checkers...

hope this is of some help...... Good Luck  :airplane:
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Re: winning hi alt fights
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2011, 02:24:19 AM »
Yeah but that does't make him an uber stick. Get him co-alt co-E he dies like any other noob.

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Re: winning hi alt fights
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2011, 10:24:55 AM »
best advice I read so far was the first four sentences of CAP1's reply:


This is information you need to engrave into your noggin , to remember while at higher altitudes.....

figuratively speaking, it takes twice the distance and nearly twice the time to do a 360 degree turn / circle at lets say 22.5 K alt while maintaining a 270 mph IAS speed than it does performing the same 360 degree turn / circle while maintaining a 270 mph IAS speed down lower around lets say 5 K alt........
 the air is much thinner at high altitude,  the faster ( read as HARDER ) you turn the quicker you bleed your energy and the faster you will find yourself losing altitude trying to keep your aircraft's speed up.........

 when flying & Dog Fighting at high Altitude use "Low - G" Maneuvers  and conserve every last ounce of "E" ( Energy ) you can squeeze out of your plane....  use more aileron authority verses using the elevators to roll and gently pull to switch directions, instead of rapidly rolling and yanking to point that lift vector when turning or trying to keep your nose on your opponent...... try to coerce your opponent to blow their planes speed/energy on you trying to get them to maneuver for a guns solution........ yet only present them with as small a shot window or slim view of your aircraft.......... always be very conscience of what you are trying to tempt your opponent into doing.. entice them to waste their energy....

High Altitude Dog Fighting is more like a "Chess Match" while down in the weeds Dog Fighting is like your basic recess time for  some kids game of Checkers...

hope this is of some help...... Good Luck  :airplane:

i forgot about the slow motion part.

 just speaking from p-38J experience........i;ve fought 2 other p-38j's up there, and a spit9 up there. all three of those fights were among the hardest 1-1's i;ve fought.
 what i noticed, was that where i'd normally try to stay within 500 to 800 yards or the con, i was now only within 800 to just over 2k yard on some maneuvers.
 the window(on the 38J)between the stall, and compression seemed to become VERY narrow. it felt like fllapwork, and throttle work were a LOT more important up there than down low.
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Re: winning hi alt fights
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2011, 11:00:12 AM »
When I fly up high I wait for the other guy to make an aggresive move....same with Jet vs Jet fights. I capitalize on the fact he just dumped his E to try to get to me then reverse them with either a BRD or some sort of vertical move seeing I fly mostly german rides that high.
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Re: winning hi alt fights
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2011, 11:22:19 AM »
Remember that fast jerky manuevers make you slow, smooth manuevers keep you fast.
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Re: winning hi alt fights
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2011, 11:17:10 PM »
awww :(  dont we get to hear it?
i wanna hear too :(
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Re: winning hi alt fights
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2011, 11:18:25 PM »
Go sit down and think about it. <facepalm>
thought the same... kingcobradudeIII possibly? :lol
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