F4U?

[Vapor]

The Ensign Eliminator...I make all CV type approaches even for airfields. I think this works best for the Corsair plus keeps my skills up for Carrier operations. I agree the issue is most likely due to a number of factors in engineering as pointed out previously. Awesome plane but will kill you if you let your concentration lapse.   

[Melvin]

The Ensign Eliminator...I make all CV type approaches even for airfields. I think this works best for the Corsair plus keeps my skills up for Carrier operations. I agree the issue is most likely due to a number of factors in engineering as pointed out previously. Awesome plane but will kill you if you let your concentration lapse.   

This ^^^^^^

I used to have a hard time with the ground loop until I started making all of my landings three pointers. Bring it in slow, as if landing on the carrier deck, and you'll be fine.

[B4Buster]

If you're flaring correctly, and holding the plane in a stall as you touch down, you shouldn't be bouncing or "ballooning". That is caused by pulling back on the stick too much. In real life and AH, I always hold the plane up right above the runway until gravity does its thing, and I have never had any issues with ground looping.

[FLS]

I don't think torque, P-factor, precession etc are issues when you've pulled off the power for landing. They're more likely to get you in trouble if you abort the landing and add power too quickly.

[Reschke]

Isn't part of this due to the fact that the landing gear was super stiff and bounced quite a bit in the first version before the adjusted for a few things. Depending on the model you are talking about that could be part of the problem since the aircraft and modeled accordingly...at least I think they are. I can't remember for sure due to so many Bombay Sapphire and tonics.

[Tyrannis]

scariest plane to land is a fw190 A-5...everytime i land it wants to play bunny rabbit down the runway..bouncing untill the breaks finally kick in.

[Vinkman]

I don't think torque, P-factor, precession etc are issues when you've pulled off the power for landing. They're more likely to get you in trouble if you abort the landing and add power too quickly.

This I my feeling. I land with engine running, but throttle all the way closed. The plane will touch down fine and track straight for a while and then suddenly make a right turn. There are a thousand ways to compansate, but I'm with the original poster on "what is the cause of the [plan view, or Z-axis] clockise torque on the airframe?

I've theorized that while the engine is decellerating with the power off, there is a torque reation on the airframe. When the spaeed of the aircraft gets too low the vertical control surfaces no longer provide counter reaction torque and the plane rotates. But if that were true why would the F4U be any didfferent from any othe plane?  Unless the engine decel torque was significantly bigger?

It's curious.

[Puck]

This whole thread is wrong; F4U is the ANSWER, not the question.  Treat it like a lady and it will purr for you.

[dtrip61]

Had the opportunity to fly right seat in a Skyraider during an airshow back in '01.  While I only got to make 2 or 3 of the passes, the guy in the left seat did come in for the landing with power and set it down on the mains first and then the tail as the airspeed bled off.  Talk about an absolutely HUGE airplane.  There was a P47 in the same group as we were in and I remember looking down on him as he taxied past.  The Skyraider made the Jug look so small it was unbelievable.  Best part of the whole ride was the start up of that big ol' rotary as the oil exhaust blew into the cockpit.  I'll see if I can dig up the film and post it.

-dtrip

[Babalonian]

My guess would be that since the engine sits so high up and infront of the landing gear, that when you land and the plane is swerving back and fourth that the weight of the engine being that high, it naturaly doesnt want to stop going in one direction, (Ta 152 is the same I imagine)

Ta-152's problem is that its tail is so damn heavy and if you give it an inch it will take it and happily slip out to infront of your direction of travel.  It can be done at any speed with a hard enough and edequate maneuver in a 152 too, but obviously more easily done at lower speeds where there is less rudder authority.  I'm not sure if it's a weight distribution problem on the F4Us and 47s like it is on a 152, it feels different on both to me.

ya but not as easy as the F4U

I beg to strongly differ.  Land an F4U 10 times, full flaps and a hard/brake stop, and then land a 152 10 times also at full flaps and with hard/brake stops and equal % of fuel.