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Offline Mirage

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« on: February 04, 2011, 03:16:40 PM »
an honest question, how can an empty fual tank catch fire? did most planes not have measures of getting rid of the fumes once the gas was gone?
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Re: Fuel tanks
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2011, 03:20:53 PM »
It might have something to do with the fact that fuel itself doesn't burn so well... It's the vapor/air mixture which ignites.

Possibly the fumes burn and the leftover puddles of gas in the tank feed them....

Never put a match near the mouth of an emptied gas can for the same reason.

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Re: Fuel tanks
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2011, 03:22:36 PM »
thats what I ment with that last part of my post, did planes not have systems to purge the fumes from their tanks when they were "empty"
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2011, 03:26:05 PM »
No. Not just because they're empty. Some pumped CO2 or exhaust fumes or something into tanks to extinguish them but for the most part the protection was to prevent puncture in the first place.

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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2011, 03:26:49 PM »
I had heard they had rubber bladders so that they contracted around the fuel preventing the build up of vapors.
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Re: Fuel tanks
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2011, 03:29:44 PM »
Most of them had rubber linings, some that when they came in contact with the gas itself swelled up. The point was the bullet would puncture the tank, the tank would leak out, the rubber lining would swell up and cut off the leak (or minimize it). Some just had rubber as a way of deflecting the slower bullets (ones that expended their energy punching through the wing or the fuselage already) or flak shrapnel.

they wouldn't swell and shrink per se, not like balloons or anything.

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Re: Fuel tanks
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2011, 03:30:47 PM »
so with these measures that we listed in place, would you both not agree that it is very unlikely an empty fuel tank gets ignited?
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Re: Fuel tanks
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2011, 03:31:51 PM »
so with these measures that we listed in place, would you both not agree that it is very unlikely an empty fuel tank gets ignited?

depends, the zero didn't have anything other than a metal tank. Also, you could get a fire if a fuel line was hit instead of the tank.
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Re: Fuel tanks
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2011, 03:33:04 PM »
im talking stuff from europe, more specificly, a 190A-5
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Re: Fuel tanks
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2011, 03:34:10 PM »
No. I think anything on a plane could get ignited. The residue of gas in an empty tank, the liquid coolant could also be highly flamable that keeps the engine running. The electrical system. The O2 system. The rubber in the tires.

I take it you're suggesting that planes in AH should not catch on fire as much?

Well one of the main methods of shooting a plane down in WW2 was to set it on fire. Wing or fuselage or engine or whatever. If you saw smoke it was only a probable kill. If you saw damage it wasn't even that. If you saw flames, it was instantly classified as a kill (for the US, at any rate).

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Re: Fuel tanks
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2011, 03:35:46 PM »
No krusty im not suggesting that they shouldn't catch fire as much, I am simply trying to figure out why those fires happen, and learn a little while im at it  :)
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Re: Fuel tanks
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2011, 03:39:23 PM »
Ah... Well I take the simplistic approach to it...


Usually I'm set on fire immediately before I say something like:

"That rat^!%@#$!@ so-and-so in the %$&^$ plane behind me shot my %$# so fulla lead that I'll be tasting it for a week!"

Usually it's because I got shot up.


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Re: Fuel tanks
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2011, 03:41:16 PM »
 :lol at least you have a good sence of humor  :)
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Re: Fuel tanks
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2011, 07:44:20 PM »
depends, the zero didn't have anything other than a metal tank. Also, you could get a fire if a fuel line was hit instead of the tank.

Actually it did.. The A6M5 had a CO2 system installed.

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Re: Fuel tanks
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2011, 08:00:46 PM »
Didn't stop them from bursting into fire with the 6x50cal firepower :) It only helps "so much"...