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Offline Plawranc

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303. Damage
« on: February 04, 2011, 04:49:21 PM »
I want 303. rounds that dont bounce off and do no damage whatsoever. I want the ammunition to do the damage it is supposed to, as 303.s usually had incendiaries and armour piercing and high explosive in the same aircraft one type per 2 guns.
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Re: 303. Damage
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2011, 04:56:52 PM »
Quote from: Plawranc on February 04, 2011, 04:49:21 PM
I want 303. rounds that dont bounce off and do no damage whatsoever. I want the ammunition to do the damage it is supposed to, as 303.s usually had incendiaries and armour piercing and high explosive in the same aircraft one type per 2 guns.
Bounce off what?
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Re: 303. Damage
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2011, 05:00:49 PM »
Your not close enough, pull in to 150 yards and those 303's will shred a wing quickly.

At 400 they have lost much of their punch and they are scattered to much to inflict enough damage on one point to cause a major part failure.
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Re: 303. Damage
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2011, 05:25:22 PM »


They work pretty well.  Get closer.
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Re: 303. Damage
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2011, 05:26:40 PM »
There is armor in this game.  Armor sometimes does its job.  The .30 calibers in AH seem to perform as they really did in the real deal.  Remember that these .30 caliber cartridges were the same rounds that the soldiers fired from their rifles, they were not hard hitting rounds in comparison to the .50 calibers or the light cannons (20mm on up).  If you are firing at tanks, shore battery bunkers, ships, or any other armored target (even the M3, M8, SdKfz 251, Whirlwind, Eastwind, or M16), the odds of your .30 caliber rounds ricocheting are quite high.  The chance of the .50 caliber rounds doing the same are good as well, unless you hit the softer part of the target (turrets on Wirby and osty; rear of M3/M16/251; or unarmored guns on a ship, etc).

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Re: 303. Damage
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2011, 05:39:28 PM »
303.s in Spitfires had a range of different ammunition. I would like to see them modeled, or at least the damage upped. I was at 200 and got a decent burst on a 109's wing, did nothing.
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Re: 303. Damage
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2011, 05:42:46 PM »
Quote from: Plawranc on February 04, 2011, 05:39:28 PM
303.s in Spitfires had a range of different ammunition. I would like to see them modeled, or at least the damage upped. I was at 200 and got a decent burst on a 109's wing, did nothing.

Having several hundred kills in .303 planes, I think I can say: 303s work as to be expected. Shredding enemy planes at 150-200 without problems. Check your firing. Aim point, distance, convergence setting. Film helps.  :old:
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Re: 303. Damage
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2011, 06:01:28 PM »
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Re: 303. Damage
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2011, 06:45:59 PM »
"as 303.s usually had incendiaries and armour piercing and high explosive in the same aircraft one type per 2 guns"

.303 HE?

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Re: 303. Damage
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2011, 07:02:14 PM »
Yes, .303 HE.  He is talking about the "De Wilde" round, which, according to Tony Williams in Flying Guns, doubled the .303's effectiveness.

What I have no evidence of is that the .303s in AH aren't already using the "De Wilde" round.
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Re: 303. Damage
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2011, 02:56:25 AM »
De Wilde was not HE but incendiary and it did not double .303 effectiveness as such but its effectiveness as incendiary.

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/BoB.htm

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Re: 303. Damage
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2011, 03:01:06 AM »
Well then how about increasing SIGNIFICANTLY, the likelyhood of an aircraft catching alight when using 303's?
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Re: 303. Damage
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2011, 02:21:53 PM »
Pretty sure the British stopped making HE .303's in 1934.   :salute

Quote from: Plawranc on February 04, 2011, 04:49:21 PM
I want 303. rounds that dont bounce off and do no damage whatsoever. I want the ammunition to do the damage it is supposed to, as 303.s usually had incendiaries and armour piercing and high explosive in the same aircraft one type per 2 guns.

De Wilde Ammo is incendiary, no? 
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Re: 303. Damage
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2011, 03:11:27 PM »
Quote from: Plawranc on February 05, 2011, 03:01:06 AM
Well then how about increasing SIGNIFICANTLY, the likelyhood of an aircraft catching alight when using 303's?
I believe it is already modeled in the game.  When firing ball ammo fires rarely happened from .303s.
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Re: 303. Damage
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2011, 08:33:27 PM »
Yea Ive caught more a/c on fire flyin the Hurri1 then any other plane in the game cept shots on bombers with other fighters.



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