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Re: Sugar: The Bitter Truth
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2011, 06:06:33 PM »
It wouldn't be fair......  I have all that sugar energy!!!  And I am athletic so the HFCS is just what I need!!! 

I dunno bout anyone else but I'd pay good money to see a diabetic guy and a fat guy in a boxing match about now  
Maybe you guys could shout 'Sugar sucks' or 'Sugar rocks' as you hit each other? And we need a midget as the referee.
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Re: Sugar: The Bitter Truth
« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2011, 06:17:05 PM »
 :rofl  nice one guys
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Re: Sugar: The Bitter Truth
« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2011, 06:27:42 PM »
meh.i eat oatmeal or cereal in the morning maybe a sandwich or something in the afternoon. eat an apple here and there with cereal at night. and have completely cut off soda replacing it with about 5-6 bottles of water a day with some soccer on the weekends. doin' fine for me  :aok i just look the other way when i pass by mcd's or burgerking lol
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Re: Sugar: The Bitter Truth
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2011, 08:41:54 PM »
I got 25 minutes into it.  

I am a type 1 Diabetic and none of that is news to me.  

How did you get 25 mins into it you posted 7 minutes later?

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Re: Sugar: The Bitter Truth
« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2011, 10:29:54 PM »
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Your intel is wrong...... It was 23 minutes.  RichardNixonHead. 


How did you get 25 mins into it you posted 7 minutes later?

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Re: Sugar: The Bitter Truth
« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2011, 10:52:39 PM »
Anyone notice that nearly NOTHING has good old honest to goodness sugar anymore? Always 'high fructose corn syrup' Wife refuses to eat or drink ANYthing that has that crap...very hard to find such things.


Yeah I get margi mix from the PriceClub <costco> now   :D all sugar....  Go Kirkland  :x
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Re: Sugar: The Bitter Truth
« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2011, 09:17:25 AM »
You do not need to consume any of the simple sugars (glucose, maltose, dextrose, sucrose) as long as you consume more complex molecules which can be broken down into those sugars.  These sugars are what your cells use to respire.

Cell Respiration:

Step 1.) Glycolisis: 1 Glucose molecule is broken down into two Pyruuvic Acid Molecules
Step 2.) Krebs Cycle: The Pyruvic acid Molecules are further broken down
Step 3.) ETS (Electron Transport System): Through a series of electron carriers, the energy from the complex molecules is converted into Adenosine Triphosphate (ATP)

To say that no glucose is needed in your body period, is a lie.  If your blood sugar drops too low, you die.  You need carbohydrates to survive, there is no way around it.  The number of carbs you consume, however, is the problem for most.

The entire problem revolves around energy density per gram and cubic centimeter (cc) of food.  Let's say you consumed a pill with a mass of one gram, a volume of one cc, and which contained 100 calories.  If you ate 20 of these, you'd be 'full'.  However, your stomach relies on volume and weight, not energy density, to determine that point. 

Thus, you could eat 20 of these each and every meal, and over the course of a day consume 6,000 calories (20 pills per meal x 100 calories per pill x 3 meals = 6,000 calories per day).  To say the least, you'd become enourmous very quickly.  Most foods (apart from MREs) are far less dense, thankfully. 

Thus, if you eat energy dense foods, you'll have to feel 'hungry' all the time.  If you consume foods with a good energy density, you'll feel 'full' and consume the correct number of calories.

Don't believe me?  Try this experiment at home.

Eat 6,000 calories as quickly as possible, with a minimum of weight and volume of food.  Then try to not eat for the next three days- the hunger pangs will be fierce, even though you have enough 'fuel' and will not starve.

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Re: Sugar: The Bitter Truth
« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2011, 09:37:02 AM »
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How long did it take you to google all of that?
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Re: Sugar: The Bitter Truth
« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2011, 10:15:20 AM »
How long did it take you to google all of that?

We "smart" folks hide that information in books. Some of us read those books and can actually remember what we read.

 Cell respiration is, oh, maybe 8th grade biology. I guess, when most of the country still isn't smarter than a fifth grader....then it might be over your head entirely!

On the flip side,

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Re: Sugar: The Bitter Truth
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2011, 10:43:18 AM »
We "smart" folks hide that information in books. Some of us read those books and can actually remember what we read.

 Cell respiration is, oh, maybe 8th grade biology. I guess, when most of the country still isn't smarter than a fifth grader....then it might be over your head entirely!

Quite honestly, that is uncalled for.

Oh yes, of course because I posted something like I did, I am an uneducated person. And think about what you said because it just proves that you are a judgemental...... Nevermind. I'll just leave you be. You're honestly not worth losing my posting privileges.

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Re: Sugar: The Bitter Truth
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2011, 10:47:51 AM »
Now back to the thread.
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Re: Sugar: The Bitter Truth
« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2011, 10:56:36 AM »
That jerk trolls in the evenings. 

Seriously, what is wrong with Llogan?  Every thread he's in... same bark, no bite.
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Re: Sugar: The Bitter Truth
« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2011, 11:17:09 AM »
To say that no glucose is needed in your body period, is a lie.

I don't think you were accusing ME of saying that.  But just to be sure its clear what my position is I'll quote myself:

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A small amount if glucose is still needed.  However the body can largely function just fine on ketones.  If my understanding is correct.

Just look at the diet of the Inuit (the ones still in their traditional environment not the townies).  There is a small amount of root and grasses in their diet, but the vast majority of their calories come from animal products.

Think of the diet of the Amerinds of the Central Plains.

I suspect for most of our evolutionary history, our diet was very high in animal flesh, with a smaller portion of very high fiber roots and grasses and some occasional nuts and berries.

In my opinion, when we started "towning up" and switching our diet to what could be produced through more dependable agriculture, that was the beginning of the industrialization of our food supply.  Sure, it allowed us to massively expand our populations (a good thing?), but from there the road to high-fructose-corn syrup was an inevitability.

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Re: Sugar: The Bitter Truth
« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2011, 01:26:57 PM »
I don't think you were accusing ME of saying that.  But just to be sure its clear what my position is I'll quote myself:

Just look at the diet of the Inuit (the ones still in their traditional environment not the townies).  There is a small amount of root and grasses in their diet, but the vast majority of their calories come from animal products.

Think of the diet of the Amerinds of the Central Plains.

I suspect for most of our evolutionary history, our diet was very high in animal flesh, with a smaller portion of very high fiber roots and grasses and some occasional nuts and berries.

In my opinion, when we started "towning up" and switching our diet to what could be produced through more dependable agriculture, that was the beginning of the industrialization of our food supply.  Sure, it allowed us to massively expand our populations (a good thing?), but from there the road to high-fructose-corn syrup was an inevitability.

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Re: Sugar: The Bitter Truth
« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2011, 02:33:53 PM »
Wab-

I'm a bottom line guy. And my problem with the Adkins diet is that - bottom line - it doesn't work very well at keeping weight off. And after all, THAT is the point of working on weight!

I'm a doc, and I'm board certified in Adult Internal Medicine, Pediatric Medicine, and Sleep Disorders Medicine. (My wife has officially forbidden me from taking any more  specialties!) Since SO much of the most common sleep disorder, sleep apnea, depends on weight I spend a great deal of my day trying to help people get their weight down. I've read a lot of research, and I also pay close attention to waht people do to try to get their weight down, and how well it works. On the other hand, what I DO NOT DO is run a weight loss business on the side - I don't sell books, hold seminars, sell food, or sell supplements. I'd rather be objective and honest than make an extra buck.

And it should be obvious that Atkins, his heirs and employees HAVE made a few bucks from their program.

OK - research - best studies I've seen look at multiple diet approaches head to head, with patients randomized to one diet or another. The best study I remember found that the Adkins group lost weight fastest, and lost the most weight, but by the end of 6 months they had regained most of it. In my book thats a failure. The best outcome came with the Weight Watchers approach, which lost weight mroe slowly but KEPT it off at 6 months and a year/.

I don't wnat to make this a megapost, so I'll say just one more thing. FAR more important than the KIND f food is the quantity, both in research and in my practice experience. You mentioned the evolutionary side of thigns, and I'll use that same approach in pointing out that people whose systems made them eat more were more likely to survive famines - so those genes have an selection advantage that is the promary problem we face today. For the first time in human history, food is both cheap and freely available to a large portion of the world's population. Wihtout scarcity to limit us, humanity is forced to use self restriction to prevent obesity for the first time - and we;'re not very good at it.

If you are serious about learning the scientific basis of weight gain, you might want to check out this article in Scientific American; http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=8DFF8662-E7F2-99DF-38E67664ABFF1D05

EDIT: Just realizdthis is a lik to an interview with the author, but he covers most of the same poinst hes dose in he actual article, There is a link to the article at the bottom of the page referenced.

SciAm is deliberately written so that a person with interest in an area but without scientific background in it can understand what the authors are saying.
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