Whats the difference

[bj229r]

With a Tempest, you only have to land ONE round out of the many you spray. (A separate subject which infuriates me to no end ) It also turns better at jug at low speed as stated, but Tempest cant take advantage of its flaps at mid and higher speeds, as jug can. I think Tempests don't come down until 200 or so, whereas jug starts at 400

[moot]

Pretty sure it's less than 200. 
The way I remember it, when looking to use flaps in the Tempest, you're almost always already so deep into low speed dodginess that you're best off mechanically bashing the flaps-down button while all your conscious focus is on maneuvering.  Bashing that button till they finally come out, and then they're so much more airbrake than useful extra lift that, compared to most other top tier fighters, it's only thanks to the Tempest's massive thrust and their quick deploy/retract speed that you can really benefit from them, or at least from more than the first notch or so.

[bj229r]

210;

[moot]

Must be confusing it with another plane.. Or maybe the rest of the flaps come down way later.  Its flap speeds aren't on the AHWiki.

For some reason I have clear memories of having to really nurse the throttle during Tempest fights, to keep the flaps out.  And that they came down really late.  Maybe it's been too long.

[bj229r]

I had to check offline,  I never fly those things, as they roll like crap. I see some guys do some stuff with them, mebbe using lots of rudder. Unless you're being b&z'd to death, Temp & jug is nice fight

[SgtPappy]

  The p-51 stayed in front line service of many countries until the 1980s. US pilots shot down MiG-15s in it in Korea and Israel used it into the 1960s. There is a reason it out lived every other piston engine aircraft in the History of the world and it wasn't because it was some mediocre half baked airplane.

Actually, after WWII, it wasn't even fully baked. It was cheap, easy to manufacture and could carry a decent bomb load and loiter for a while. It wasn't anything of a fighter after WWII. Also, the F4U was the last piston engined fighter to exit service AFAIK. Not the P-51.

[Stoney]

It also turns better at jug at low speed as stated...

The difference between the P-47M and Tempest would not be so conspicuous as the P-47D-40 and Tempest, as the M carries 200 more HP for sustained turning on WEP.  That's significant.  Also, the amount of torque in-game on the Tempest may make it a wash as far as useable turning radius at slow-speed sustained turns, especially given the opposite rotation of the respective props. If the fight becomes a turn fight in one direction or the other, it may lend an advantage to either plane. The Jug is very stable in-game in high-power, low speed flight, whereas the Tempest can get a little touchy.

I like to fly the Tempest, as the guns give great snap-shot opportunities, and it has better low-altitude performance, but the rate of fire on the Hispanos is hard to transition to after flying with the fricking laser beams that the caliber .50 are... 

[R 105]

The P-51 was still in service with Air National Guard units until 1957. The P-51 was still in service in Central American countries into the 1980s. I am old enough to remember the P-51s flying over our farm as a kid.

[XPSteve]

The Tempest also accelerates much faster in level flight if I'm not mistaken.

[JUGgler]

  Tempest > MJUG




JUGgler

[Debrody]

Ok ok i give it up 
I still think (keyword think) the jug is better in the scissors and can do almost as well as a temp.

[VonMessa]

Use manual trim.

This works wonders in many, many situations within the the entire plane set.

[bozon]

At low altitude the tempest is superior in just about every way. Even the firing time is not much shorter because for tracking shots, firing two cannons at a time is more than enough and doubles your firing time. Save the full 4 cannon burst for bombers and close range snap shots.

Now take the tempest up to 25kft and the MJug will eat it. Take it to 30kft and the tempest will just barely hang in there while the MJug is nearly 90mph faster and still climbing...
These planes are optimized for completely different environments. The typical MA conditions are the home turf of the Tempest.

[MachFly]

Ok ok i give it up  
I still think (keyword think) the jug is better in the scissors and can do almost as well as a temp.

Just take a jug and go dogfight a temp 
I think you will be convinced.

[cowboy03]

The P-51 was still in service with Air National Guard units until 1957. The P-51 was still in service in Central American countries into the 1980s. I am old enough to remember the P-51s flying over our farm as a kid.

In 1969 F4Us went up against F(P)-51s in the El Salvador/Honduras Soccer War.