Me 262 with out rockets?

[oakranger]

Just wondering why is the 262 not have rockets? Was it a short time usage?

   
Rheinmetall-Borsig R 4/M 'Orkan'



   
Rheinmetall-Borsig WGr 21

[mthrockmor]

Glad you posted this. I remember reading about this years ago. It included an account by a pilot who who killed a bomber with a volley of these rockets. Potent upgrade.

Boo

[EagleDNY]

I think it is because they were on the A-2 model and we have the A-1.  That said, I too would like to have them - especially if I have to go hunting B-29s....

[Tyrannis]

Just wondering why is the 262 not have rockets? Was it a short time usage?

   
Rheinmetall-Borsig R 4/M 'Orkan'
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Rheinmetall-Borsig WGr 21
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isent the fact that you have 30mm cannons,jet engines, and are the fastest fighter in the game good enough for you?

if we gave the me262 rockets, noone would ever shoot at buffs again. it would be a nonstop rocket barrage.imagine if you were in buffs, you see an me262 on your 6. your in your tailgun, he's 2k out, your training your sights. theeennnn.....-towered- by the rocket he fired at you while still outside your gun range.

[oakranger]

I think it is because they were on the A-2 model and we have the A-1.  That said, I too would like to have them - especially if I have to go hunting B-29s....

All three pics caption listed that they are the A-1.  If you can translated it and post it what it says. 

For the first two pics:
<sup>Eine wirklich erfolgreiche Bordrakete war die leitwerkstabilisierte Bordrakete R 4/M "Orkan". An der Entwicklung dieser Waffe war ein Mann maßgeblich beteiligt, der bereits 1915 als Mechaniker die erste bei Fokker in Schwerin gebaut hatte und in der Verbotszeit 1919-33 bei der waffentechnischen Ausrüstung der getarnten deutschen Fliegertruppe der Reichswehr eine Rolle gespielt hatte. Es war Fritz Heber, nunmehr Chef der Firma Heber in Osterode, der mit den Deutschen Waffen- und Munitions-Werken zusammen die R 4/M (R = Rakete, 4 = Gewicht 4 kg, M = Minenkopf) entwickelte. Es wurden sofort 20000 Stück in Auftrag gegeben, von denen aber nur noch 12000 zur Auslieferung kamen. Die Erprobung erfolgte bei dem von Generalmajor Galland geführten Jagdverband JV 44. Bis März 1945 wurden mindestens 60 Me 262 A-1 mit 24 R 4/M pro Tragfläche ausgerüstet.

Der Erfolg war ausgezeichnet. Bei einem Einsatz wurden ohne eigenen Verlust aus einem Verband von 425 B-17, 25-Maschinen abgeschossen. Neben der Me 262 wurde auch der Raketenjäger Me 163 mit der R 4/M ausgerüstet. Der Objektschutzjäger Bachem Ba 349 sollte im Bug eine Abschußanlage, die so genannte "Bienenwabe", zu 28 Rohren erhalten. Dies führte aber beim Schußversuch zur Explosion des Bugs. Eine geänderte Bienenwabe zu 24 Rohren konnte nicht mehr erprobt werden. Der Blohm und Voss-Jäger P. 212, der eine ähnliche Bewaffnung erhalten sollte, blieb Projekt. Aber selbst veraltete Maschinen des Musters Fw 190 erzielten sogar noch im April 1945 überragende Erfolge. So vernichteten 24 Fw 190 aus einem starken viermotorigen Verband 40 Maschinen ebenfalls ohne eigene Verluste. Insgesamt wurden in der kurzen Einsatzzeit fast 500 Feindmaschinen durch R 4/ M-Raketen zerstört. Bis Kriegsende waren etwa 10000 Geschosse fertig gestellt, davon ein Großteil im sudetenländischen Ausweichbetrieb in Kratzau.

Angriffstaktik: Die Me 262 nimmt dieselbe Höhe wie die Bomber ein und schießt aus 600 m Entfernung alle R 4/M Raketen (volle Salve) auf die Bomberformation ab.</sup>



From the third pic:

^{Me 262 A-1a "Rote 1" der III./JG 7 mit zwei WGr 21 am ETC}

[Ack-Ack]

Just wondering why is the 262 not have rockets? Was it a short time usage?

   
Rheinmetall-Borsig R 4/M 'Orkan'
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Rheinmetall-Borsig WGr 21
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It was the Me 262A-1a/R1 that had provisions to fire the R4M rockets.  Don't know the numbers that were produced or saw action.

Honestly, it's like with the Ju 87D-3 we have and that it can easily be converted to the G-1 with just the simple option of adding the 37mm cannon ordnance package.  The same with the Me 262A-1a/R1 as it is identicle to the A-1a with the only difference the mounts for the R4M rockets.  Give the ordnance package for the rockets and we now have a 2nd Luftwaffe jet, the Me 262A-1a/R1.

ack-ack

[oakranger]

It was the Me 262A-1a/R1 that had provisions to fire the R4M rockets.  Don't know the numbers that were produced or saw action.

Honestly, it's like with the Ju 87D-3 we have and that it can easily be converted to the G-1 with just the simple option of adding the 37mm cannon ordnance package.  The same with the Me 262A-1a/R1 as it is identicle to the A-1a with the only difference the mounts for the R4M rockets.  Give the ordnance package for the rockets and we now have a 2nd Luftwaffe jet, the Me 262A-1a/R1.

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Thanks for the info, now only if we know how many where produced. 

[Tyrannis]

were  they pure anti air or did they have any attack qualities to them? (Tanks, etc)

[oakranger]

were  they pure anti air or did they have any attack qualities to them? (Tanks, etc)

I have read somewhere the a few 262 where deployed to attack a column of Russian vehicles.  They destroyed 100s of them and if i am not mistaken, they used rockets and/or bombs. 

[Tyrannis]

I have read somewhere the a few 262 where deployed to attack a column of Russian vehicles.  They destroyed 100s of them and if i am not mistaken, they used rockets and/or bombs. 

hm, if hitech added another me262 with ground attack capabilities, would it be perked the same,more, or less than the pure fighter me-262?

[oakranger]

hm, if hitech added another me262 with ground attack capabilities, would it be perked the same,more, or less than the pure fighter me-262?

Well, the quesion is how often was the 262 put in a roll of attacking ground targets. The only account that i found was in the Eastern front as i stated the only time it was used. 

[Tyrannis]

Well, the quesion is how often was the 262 put in a roll of attacking ground targets. The only account that i found was in the Eastern front as i stated the only time it was used. 

found this article, some interesting stuff in it. (i personally didnt know there was a 2 seater nightfighter version of the me-262.) it talks about your r4m rockets halfway down.


it claims that the A-2a "Sturmvogel" model was the difinitive bomber version. with the A3a being a proposed ground attack version.

http://english.turkcebilgi.com/Me+262


couldnt find anything on the rockets being used for ground attack tho (using a quick yahoo search)

[oakranger]

found this article, some interesting stuff in it. (i personally didnt know there was a 2 seater nightfighter version of the me-262.) it talks about your r4m rockets halfway down.


it claims that the A-2a "Sturmvogel" model was the difinitive bomber version. with the A3a being a proposed ground attack version.

http://english.turkcebilgi.com/Me+262


couldnt find anything on the rockets being used for ground attack tho (using a quick yahoo search)

Look at the A1-a/R1 with R4/M.  I believe that the A3a was outfitted with 4 x 30mm, toejam.  Could be wrong on the rockets/ords on the GVs but i know i read something about the 262 attacking a column of Russian vehicles.  Trying to find it. 

[oakranger]

Here is something intresting:

<sup>In fact there were two six barreled versions, this one and the A-1a/U1 (with three different cannon types 2 Mk103, 2Mk108 2MG151/20).

112355 Me 262 A-1a/U5. This experimental weapons prototype with six 30 mm MK 108 cannon was flight tested in March 1945. It was then transferred to JV 44, and flown by Major Heinz Bär to München-Riem on 23 April from Lechfeld. It was flown in combat by Bär from München-Riem, from where he apparently shot down two P-47’s on 27 April, and one P-47 at Bad Abling on 29 April. This is the only known prototype.</sup>

[Ack-Ack]

I have read somewhere the a few 262 where deployed to attack a column of Russian vehicles.  They destroyed 100s of them and if i am not mistaken, they used rockets and/or bombs. 

It might have been the Me 262A-2a which was the fighter bomber version that had bomb racks.

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