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Re: The "Gorgeous Airplane" thread
« Reply #135 on: March 04, 2011, 06:29:27 AM »
Quote from: MiloMorai on March 04, 2011, 06:13:21 AM
There was a P-39 pic posted by Imowface?

Always liked this a/c. Even has a reverse  when on the ground.

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Correction P-63, and why Imowface, I was talking to Tyrannis.
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Re: The "Gorgeous Airplane" thread
« Reply #136 on: March 04, 2011, 06:31:50 AM »
Quote from: Plawranc on March 04, 2011, 05:05:39 AM
Russian aircraft PERFORMANCE, is almost always superior to the US aircraft. However technology and weapon systems is where the US aircraft win out.

I remember Eagl, our resident F-15 pilot once said and I quote: "The f-15 is the best BVR aircraft ever designed save the Raptor, but if the SU-27 gets close, he will fly up your assshole before you know whats happening"



Would you happen to know the name of the pilot? Just curious.
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Re: The "Gorgeous Airplane" thread
« Reply #137 on: March 04, 2011, 07:23:33 AM »
Quote from: Imowface on March 03, 2011, 11:39:11 PM
There are a few of them kicking around in small museums around Russia and one in prague

Neat, I did not know that. I had read somewhere that the one in Moscow was purported to be the sole remaining airframe, I'm glad to hear that was incorrect.
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Re: The "Gorgeous Airplane" thread
« Reply #138 on: March 04, 2011, 07:27:10 AM »
Quote from: Tyrannis on March 04, 2011, 02:22:18 AM
i think most russian planes are crap (both in performance&looks).

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Re: The "Gorgeous Airplane" thread
« Reply #139 on: March 04, 2011, 07:51:03 AM »
Can't belive nobody has posted this one...



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Re: The "Gorgeous Airplane" thread
« Reply #140 on: March 04, 2011, 12:30:56 PM »
Quote from: MachFly on March 04, 2011, 03:00:03 AM
Do you have any facts that back up your theory?

And showing Russian prototype planes does not count, also showing US planes given to Russian (such as P-39) does not count either.
its just my opinion. from korea&vietnam  americans came to dominate the skies over russia built planes.

plus (at the time) the USAF and the luftwaffe would run mock training maneuvers and combat situations with the f15vs the mig29 every september (they have an official name for it, cant remember).

from there training they came to the conclusion the f15 was a much more superior plane over the mig29. beating it 15 our of the 18 engagements they played.
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Re: The "Gorgeous Airplane" thread
« Reply #141 on: March 04, 2011, 12:48:05 PM »
Quote from: Tyrannis on March 04, 2011, 12:30:56 PM
its just my opinion. from korea&vietnam  americans came to dominate the skies over russia built planes.

plus (at the time) the USAF and the luftwaffe would run mock training maneuvers and combat situations with the f15vs the mig29 every september (they have an official name for it, cant remember).

from there training they came to the conclusion the f15 was a much more superior plane over the mig29. beating it 15 our of the 18 engagements they played.

In korea & vietnam you did not have russian pilots (well you had less than ~5), so what good is a good airplane if you don't have a pilot that can fly well? USAF training was/is not comparable to korean of vietnamese. Also as far as I remember US pilots had a lot of trouble with Mig-15s in korea, and most of thous were korean pilots, vietnam did not seem so easy either.
Take a look at what USAF really thinks about the Mig-21: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reVZ9aPYi9A&feature=related


Would you have an official report for the F-15 vs Mig-29?




I'm not saying that Russian airplanes are better, but I'm not saying that US planes are better either. (at least of that time)
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Re: The "Gorgeous Airplane" thread
« Reply #142 on: March 04, 2011, 01:11:18 PM »
Quote from: MiloMorai on March 04, 2011, 06:13:21 AM
Always liked this a/c. Even has a reverse  when on the ground.

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Not sure if it's the same type
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Re: The "Gorgeous Airplane" thread
« Reply #143 on: March 04, 2011, 01:18:13 PM »
Quote from: moot on March 04, 2011, 01:11:18 PM
Not sure if it's the same type
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Nice airplane, but no what you posted is a Saab 35, he had a Saab 37.
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Re: The "Gorgeous Airplane" thread
« Reply #144 on: March 04, 2011, 02:39:18 PM »
Quote from: ToeTag on March 04, 2011, 07:51:03 AM
Can't belive nobody has posted this one...

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oh gracious yes, Rutan is a genious!

My favorite: Long-EZ





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Re: The "Gorgeous Airplane" thread
« Reply #145 on: March 04, 2011, 02:42:54 PM »
Quote from: MachFly on March 04, 2011, 12:48:05 PM
In korea & vietnam you did not have russian pilots (well you had less than ~5), so what good is a good airplane if you don't have a pilot that can fly well? USAF training was/is not comparable to korean of vietnamese. Also as far as I remember US pilots had a lot of trouble with Mig-15s in korea, and most of thous were korean pilots, vietnam did not seem so easy either.
Take a look at what USAF really thinks about the Mig-21: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reVZ9aPYi9A&feature=related


Would you have an official report for the F-15 vs Mig-29?




I'm not saying that Russian airplanes are better, but I'm not saying that US planes are better either. (at least of that time)
military channel did a documentary on it. i cant remember what its called tho.

red september i think. or something along that line.
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Re: The "Gorgeous Airplane" thread
« Reply #146 on: March 04, 2011, 02:48:16 PM »
Quote from: Reaper90 on March 04, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
oh gracious yes, Rutan is a genious!

My favorite: Long-EZ

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Re: The "Gorgeous Airplane" thread
« Reply #147 on: March 04, 2011, 02:52:17 PM »
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Re: The "Gorgeous Airplane" thread
« Reply #148 on: March 04, 2011, 02:55:19 PM »
Grumman's X-29 FSW

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Re: The "Gorgeous Airplane" thread
« Reply #149 on: March 04, 2011, 02:55:46 PM »
Quote from: Tyrannis on March 04, 2011, 02:42:54 PM
military channel did a documentary on it. i cant remember what its called tho.

red september i think. or something along that line.

Have not found it yet.
This is the only non-wikipedia comparison I was able to find: http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/airdef/mig-29.htm
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