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Offline jollyFE

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.223 rifle
« on: February 23, 2011, 04:19:58 PM »
I know this is question with alot of answers but here goes.....

I am looking for a .223 rifle for under a grand,  I carried an M4 for about 5 years and am really familiar with it but the price is just a bit too high.  I saw a review of the Kel Tec SU 16C, anyone have any experience with it?

My sons (Call of Duty fanatics) said "dad get an scar or acr"  I laughed when I saw the prices of those 2 rifles.

Any suggestions?

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Re: .223 rifle
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2011, 04:23:10 PM »
You can get a separate lower and upper for about $800 and have a complete AR
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Re: .223 rifle
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2011, 04:29:23 PM »
I have a Mini-14  Suits me just fine and its a blast to shoot.

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Re: .223 rifle
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2011, 04:31:14 PM »
I know this is question with alot of answers but here goes.....

I am looking for a .223 rifle for under a grand,  I carried an M4 for about 5 years and am really familiar with it but the price is just a bit too high.  I saw a review of the Kel Tec SU 16C, anyone have any experience with it?

My sons (Call of Duty fanatics) said "dad get an scar or acr"  I laughed when I saw the prices of those 2 rifles.

Any suggestions?



There are lots of AR options available for under $1k, if you want to go that route.

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Re: .223 rifle
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2011, 04:46:14 PM »
I have a Mini-14  Suits me just fine and its a blast to shoot.

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also check out www.accuracysystems.com for mini-14 goodness
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Re: .223 rifle
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2011, 04:52:36 PM »
My sons (Call of Duty fanatics) said "dad get an scar or acr"  I laughed when I saw the prices of those 2 rifles.
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2011, 04:57:11 PM »
There are a whole host of AR15's for under $1,000.  You can build your own for a LOT less.

Stay away from the junk.  Kel-Tek is junk.  It is like buying a Phoenix, Lorcin, or Jennings handgun.
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Re: .223 rifle
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2011, 05:05:53 PM »
Why not go with the AK Platform... Check out the Russian Saiga Rifles. .223 Both Barrel lengths (16" and 20") can be found for less than $400.

http://armsofamerica.com/saiga223riflewitha20inchbarrel-specialsaleprice35999.aspx

The standard rifles function the same as an AKM, but they lack the deadly "assault" features.  :lol

With some tools and parts you can transform it into an AKM.
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Re: .223 rifle
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2011, 07:08:48 PM »
I agree, you can find pretty decent AR-15s for under a grand.   The Mini-14 as mentioned is a fun rifle to shoot, not a tack driver but still fun and based on the classic M1 Carbine/M1 Garand and M14 rolling block bolt system.   The AR's will deliver probably better accuracy with a decent build.

Big question first should be "What do you want to do with the rifle?".

If you get an AR, you want to get one built to fire the 5.56, and with it you can also shoot the .223 round.  If you get a .223 rifle, you shouldn't fire the 5.56 round.  (and no, they aren't the same round, pressures are different). 
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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2011, 08:28:43 PM »
Depending on what you want to do with the rifle you have multiple options. You can buy any number of bolt actions as well as the "black rifles". If you are looking at a varmint style rifle you will get more bang for the buck with a standard bolt action.
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Re: .223 rifle
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2011, 09:51:55 PM »
Depending on what you want to do with the rifle you have multiple options. You can buy any number of bolt actions as well as the "black rifles". If you are looking at a varmint style rifle you will get more bang for the buck with a standard bolt action.

Mmmm Savage or a Howa, the howa ranchland is a nice length to whack a suppressor on.

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Re: .223 rifle
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2011, 10:54:49 PM »
Why not go with the AK Platform... Check out the Russian Saiga Rifles. .223 Both Barrel lengths (16" and 20") can be found for less than $400.

http://armsofamerica.com/saiga223riflewitha20inchbarrel-specialsaleprice35999.aspx

The standard rifles function the same as an AKM, but they lack the deadly "assault" features.  :lol

With some tools and parts you can transform it into an AKM.

Lots of decent AKs out there if you don't want to go the AR route.   
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Re: .223 rifle
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2011, 11:24:42 PM »
Lots of decent AKs out there if you don't want to go the AR route.   
you can buy one for like $100 lol
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Re: .223 rifle
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2011, 11:54:01 PM »
Rock River Arms, Stag Arms, Spike's Tactical.....all very good and priced well.

Both of my lower AR's are spike's, one upper is stag, other is VLTOR.

I'd suggest looking at several AR15 sites, the options are limitless. You can go standard 16", varminter up to 24", and all in between.

There is also a pics forum at ar15.com, to give you some ideas, from basic to full custom. Many can be built around $1K or less.

Most vendors are building 5.56mm as their standard barrels nowadays.

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Re: .223 rifle
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2011, 06:22:35 AM »
You might try looking for a used mini-14, but have it checked out by a gunsmith before buying, and if possible shoot it before buying.  They're very rugged but that also means they might have been abused.  Plenty of mod options for stocks, but as mentioned before it isn't exactly the most accurate gun out there.  I'm a fairly good shot (1 inch 3-shot groups at 200yds the first outing with my hunting rifle, not bad for an amature) but a typical mini-14 group is more like 3-4" at 100yds.  Maybe a modified one could do better, but I've been told that 3" group at 100 yds with a mini is actually pretty good.

Lots of modification options to customise mini-14s too...  Just don't expect the best accuracy.  For standing shooting out in the field, the gun is still probably more accurate than most shooters.  And you can get extended magazines, although as with any magazine fed rifle, cheapo mags won't feed properly so get decent magazines if you go beyond the factory 5-round mags.

If you get the "ranch rifle" version, you get scope mounts.  If not, you have attach the scope to the side of the receiver which throws off the alignment from the pounding it receives and may even break cheaper scopes.
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