Red Tails- Movie

[Bodhi]

For those that think I am not interested in this movie or "dis" it because of an incorrect aircraft sub-type or incorrect group markings, you completely misunderstood my second post.  To clarify, I think it is a joke (like Pearl Harbor) because their research level allowed much better accuracy and because they throw in completely inaccurate representations of what aircraft could do.  It goes beyond simple identity issues and into serious mistakes of history when people start believing that aircraft performed in certain ways when they didn't, performed roles they did not, and people are placed as having accomplished something when they did not.

The amount of false information from movies of this genre that will be perceived as fact after seeing it is what bothers me.  Not the little bits and pieces like inaccurate group markings (there really is no excuse for that when it is so easy to research) and plane subtypes.  

Lastly, it really agitates me when some clown walks up to me and asks me a question about an artifact and then tells me I am wrong because they saw it in a movie.  Keep in mind, I do not mind being told I am wrong, I simply do not like history being misrepresented.

[Karnak]

An example of what Bodhi is talking about....

Years ago I was hanging out in the TA (no recollection why) when a new player came in having just had a Spitfire Mk V hand his P-51D its buttocks.  He grabbed a Spitfire Mk V to learn how to use it, but while he was doing so he was ranting about how mismodeled the airplanes were in the game because the P-51 was the greatest fighter of WWII and should out turn anything.  I engaged him in conversation and tried to help him get his legs under him.  His source of info on the P-51 was TV shows on the history/discovery channels (we all know how they hype whatever aircraft the show is about) and he had fully believed the hype about it.

[ink]

I'm just going to approach it in the spirit of fun.

Finally get to see an air combat movie made with modern special effects.

Warts and all, this is a good thing.

We need more of such to revive interest in this era we are all so enamored with.

exactly....I wont care about the minor stuff, as long as they dont use a p 40 for a 51, I wont care I am just glad they are getting some WW2 on the big screen.

[Muzzy]

I still haven't seen anything that's on the level of "Pearl Harbor" stupidity.  I'm going to go, because if we don't, we'll never see another WWII era movie for a long time. 

[gyrene81]

come on melvin, did you actually expect hollywood to destroy a million dollar train for your entertainment?

i know you watched this one


did you see this one?

[Rash]

For those that think I am not interested in this movie or "dis" it because of an incorrect aircraft sub-type or incorrect group markings, you completely misunderstood my second post.  To clarify, I think it is a joke (like Pearl Harbor) because their research level allowed much better accuracy and because they throw in completely inaccurate representations of what aircraft could do.  It goes beyond simple identity issues and into serious mistakes of history when people start believing that aircraft performed in certain ways when they didn't, performed roles they did not, and people are placed as having accomplished something when they did not.

The amount of false information from movies of this genre that will be perceived as fact after seeing it is what bothers me.  Not the little bits and pieces like inaccurate group markings (there really is no excuse for that when it is so easy to research) and plane subtypes.  

Lastly, it really agitates me when some clown walks up to me and asks me a question about an artifact and then tells me I am wrong because they saw it in a movie.  Keep in mind, I do not mind being told I am wrong, I simply do not like history being misrepresented.

It's a movie.  If they don't have a love triangle and then, the good guys die in heroic way, then no one would buy tickets.

[Rash]

Does Dark Blue World belong in these later movies of WW11?

[Rash]

Never mind, another love triangle.

[PR3D4TOR]

Movies are entertainment, theater and drama. They may tell an important story, social commentary or reflect on moral values, but they are still theater, made to thrill and entertain.

Documentaries are made to retell history in accurate detail.

"Red Tails" is the former, and I for one am looking forward to it.

[Karnak]

True, I guess.

Shakespeare's historical plays do not, in fact, bear more than a passing resemblance to the actual events.

[jimson]

Pearl Harbor may have been stupid, but I did enjoy the combat, especially the BoB scenes. I didn't nitpick the details, i just enjoyed the visuals.

People like us are not a large enough audience for a big budget film.

What would appeal to us would bore the rest of the population.

There has to be a human interest story to get chicks to go see it.

[Bodhi]

People like us are not a large enough audience for a big budget film.

What would appeal to us would bore the rest of the population.

I believe that this is where you are wrong.  Simply telling the truth is the always the correct direction to take.  The reason they do not is pure laziness.

[des506]

I believe that this is where you are wrong.  Simply telling the truth is the always the correct direction to take.  The reason they do not is pure laziness.

  could we send you to hollywood to do this to lucas?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQDpL_JNQ5A&feature=related

[Rich52]

Frankly when I hear some director like Lucas use the term, "inspired by", I kinda shudder. Who knows what version of history such an arrogant, rather unskilled, director like that can cook up? Most of all when the actual true story is so inspiring and would make such a great film. I saw this yesterday in the theater when I went and saw Conan. They didn't even mention "Tuskegee" in the trailer. That modern Pearl harbor movie was so painful I walked out of the theater, "a habit of mine with bad movies".

I just hope Lucaisn'tnt writing thdialogge for the movie. Hidialogge in Star Wars was just awful. Luckily he was smart enough to let another write Empire/Strikes and Return/Jedi.

If this is turned into a twisted version of Lucas-History then I'll pass.

[cpxxx]

I agree with the comments that it doesn't matter about total historical accuracy. Realistically it can't be done. The key to a good movie is the story. If it's a good story you can ignore the compromises. So if it proves to be a proper tribute to the Red Tails and a good story then it will have done it's job.

On the other hand, , the CGI. The bloody CGI. You would have thought that they could have made it convincing by now! Now the graphics are remarkable, in many ways almost real. But here we go again, exaggerated speeds, compressed formations. The old Star Wars galactic battle scene! Tie fighters and X wings. They just can't let that go can they?

Ah well, maybe Peter Jackson can do better if he ever gets his film off the ground. He at least is a Warbird buff.

We live in hope.