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« Reply #555 on: February 01, 2012, 03:44:52 PM »
Great tale - I'm gonna have to remember that patented elbow-the-window-open-after-imediate-and-sudden-stall-departure, that's a good one to put an instructor through.   :aok  :rofl
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« Reply #556 on: February 01, 2012, 08:05:07 PM »
When I was flying sailplanes I took spin training just because my instructor suggested that I learn to recover from unusual attitudes.

My first hint was when he trotted out the parachutes. We had never worn parachutes for any of the other training. BTW, you wear those things cinched down so tight you can't stand up straight. You walk hunched over because every time you try to stand straight it pull the groin straps right up ;)  You learn pretty quick that hunched over is ok.

On the way up we were doing the usual stuff behind the tow plane, boxing the wake and the like. He was telling me what to expect. "You pull back on the stick and let it coast up. Just at the point where the nose drops through in the stall, tromp hard on the rudder in the direction of your choice to start the spin. Let it wrap itself up for at least two turns before beginning recovery. Push forward on the stick, opposite rudder, until the spin stops. Then gently pull back on the stick and don't pull too hard or you'll put yourself in another spin."

Seemed simple. . .

We disco'd from the tow plane and built up some speed. He told me to start. I put the nose up and watched the speed fall off. This particular plane stalled at about 65mph or so. Right at 65 the nose fell through and he said, "ok kick the rudder". Now I don't know about you but I didn't really expect a sailplane with a 65 foot wing span to spin very fast. I don't know how fast it was but it was plenty too fast for me. The ground was spinning around like an Bugs Bunny cartoon of an airplane crash. I remember there was a little pick up truck following a two laner in the center of my vision, going around and around.

The other thing I noticed right off the bat was that every time before the view out the canopy had been some ratio of sky/ground, usually with the sky on the top and ground underneath. Now that we were pointed straight down, the horizon was even with the top of my head and all I could see was ground. I had to look up and back to see sky. Bit disconcerting. Ground seems to be coming up faster when you look at it.

The third thing is that the plane doesn't spin around the nose but around its CG which feels like the spin point is under your nose. Feels and looks wierd.

I'm starting to get a bit anxious cause it seems we've gone around at least 10 times, so he says, "Ok that's two. Let's recover." I went stick forward like a shot out of a gun and opposite rudder. When I started to pull back it seemed like we were going real fast, sailplanes are pretty low drag and pick up speed in a hurry. I fought the urge to pull the stick back behind my ear, and pulled it out gently.

He said, "That wasn't bad. How about another one. . . ."

We did two and about that point my stomach was making itself known. Discretion being the better part of valor, and honor being served I passed on #3.
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Re: Red Tails- Movie
« Reply #557 on: May 06, 2012, 01:44:33 AM »
Movies are entertainment, theater and drama. They may tell an important story, social commentary or reflect on moral values, but they are still theater, made to thrill and entertain.

Documentaries are made to retell history in accurate detail.

"Red Tails" is the former, and I for one am looking forward to it.

I saw it last night and just wanted to say I was wrong in this case. Very wrong.

Wooden acting, appalling clichéd script, overt and embarrassing patriotism, an over reliance on CGI and a clumsy soundtrack. However remarkable the achievements of the real Tuskegee Airmen, "Red Tails" is an unworthy telling of their story that will satisfy only the most unsophisticated viewers.

The script is heavy-handed, contrived, and banal. The dialogue is horribly stereotypical, predictable and lifeless. Much of the acting is painful to watch. The directing is muddled and unclear, stringing together in the crudest manner a series of contrived and often-disposable vignettes obviously designed to push a message or elicit an emotional response rather than to develop the story. I think the script may have been written in crayon.

This is a very unfortunate attempt to tell an important story and is a disservice to the men who lived these historic events.
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« Reply #558 on: May 06, 2012, 01:56:59 AM »
The script is heavy-handed, contrived, and banal. The dialogue is horribly stereotypical, predictable and lifeless. Much of the acting is painful to watch. The directing is muddled and unclear, stringing together in the crudest manner a series of contrived and often-disposable vignettes obviously designed to push a message or elicit an emotional response rather than to develop the story. I think the script may have been written in crayon.

Sounds like a George Lucas film...
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« Reply #559 on: June 25, 2012, 10:18:36 PM »
I saw it last night and just wanted to say I was wrong in this case. Very wrong.

Wooden acting, appalling clichéd script, overt and embarrassing patriotism, an over reliance on CGI and a clumsy soundtrack. However remarkable the achievements of the real Tuskegee Airmen, "Red Tails" is an unworthy telling of their story that will satisfy only the most unsophisticated viewers.

The script is heavy-handed, contrived, and banal. The dialogue is horribly stereotypical, predictable and lifeless. Much of the acting is painful to watch. The directing is muddled and unclear, stringing together in the crudest manner a series of contrived and often-disposable vignettes obviously designed to push a message or elicit an emotional response rather than to develop the story. I think the script may have been written in crayon.

This is a very unfortunate attempt to tell an important story and is a disservice to the men who lived these historic events.
Amen.  Finally saw it last night and it was just awful.
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Re: Red Tails- Movie
« Reply #560 on: June 26, 2012, 12:19:53 AM »
Saw it 2 nights ago too, was terrible.  Acting wasn't great, historical accuracy was terrible, and in my opinion they focused to much on the graphics of the movie.
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« Reply #561 on: June 26, 2012, 12:34:54 PM »
Saw it 2 nights ago too, was terrible.  Acting wasn't great, historical accuracy was terrible, and in my opinion they focused to much on the graphics of the movie.

That seems to be the focus of EVERYTHING lately. Games, movies, TV, hell, even books.

I'm just waiting for the day when some idiot starts seriously complaining that life has worse graphics than CoD.
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« Reply #562 on: June 26, 2012, 04:35:59 PM »
That seems to be the focus of EVERYTHING lately. Games, movies, TV, hell, even books.

I'm just waiting for the day when some idiot starts seriously complaining that life has worse graphics than CoD.


I used to play real life,  the gameplay was okay and the graphics were meh.
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Re: Red Tails- Movie
« Reply #563 on: June 26, 2012, 06:31:00 PM »
Saw it about a week ago. I couldn't even watch the whole thing. What a terrible piece of crap.

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« Reply #564 on: June 26, 2012, 06:34:28 PM »
If you think Red Tails is the worst, what about Pearl Harbor made that movie any better?
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« Reply #565 on: June 26, 2012, 09:14:56 PM »
I was happy that I waited for it to come out on pay per view it was easier to turn off a 5 dollar piece of crap than to have spent a buttload at the movie theater.
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« Reply #566 on: June 26, 2012, 11:56:46 PM »
Its Cheesy, The Anglo American Acting (Bomber Crews) is crap (The African American acting IMO was excellent), NO authentic planes, Historical inaccuracies by the tonne.........

I liked it.

I know that sounds impossible, but the cheesiness of a movie, as long as its not too bad, can be part of the charm. The story was predictable... but on the otherhand anyone with a brain knows that, showing a pic of the GF\Wife is instant death. So why disappoint.

I had fun watching it. As a work of film.... its more turd than the amount shovelled in an Outback sheep station..... as a time killer with funny black guys and aviation action.... it is a complete triumph.

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Pearl Harbor is THE definition, of crappy war movie. Red Tails at least doesn't bog you down too much with crappy love triangles. Its about blasting Nazi's to hell. Something I personally approve of.
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« Reply #567 on: June 27, 2012, 12:13:56 AM »
If you wanted it to be a documentary, you lost.  If you wanted it to be "Flying Tigers' updated to be "Redtails" it was just fine.  In many ways it was exactly what Lucas said it was.  It was an homage to the 1940s wartime films that also weren't history.

Watch John Wayne in "Flying Tigers".  Then watch this one.  Script about the same.  Useless love story, a buddy story with one fighting inner demons while the other fights authority.  The bad Luftwaffe guy was just like the evil Japanese pilots in WW2 movies.

I watched it on Pay for View with my little guy.  All he saw were Mustangs and pilots with flying helmets like the one he plays with.  Needless to say he spent his time hand flying and pointing at the pilots and then at himself. (He's deaf so saying it's a bit tough other then sign)  

Is it great acting?  Nah.  I felt sorry for the actors being given such wooden, predictable lines.  But it was also watchable for a kid for the most part.  Very little blood and gore.  Again, think about what Lucas was aiming at.  Do we really believe a Mustang and a 262 in a head on shooting match is going to leave anyone intact?  The guy kept fighting and talking despite cannon shells to his chest and shoulders.  Had Lucas been doing it "Saving Private Ryan" style, he'd have been vaporized.   Instead it was pure 1940s wartime movie, as the guy gets to say his good byes and voice his regrets while his buddy has to rise above and overcome his demons.

I enjoyed it.  I'll teach the history to the little guy as that's my job, not a Hollywood movies.  He loved the Mustangs and the pilots.  That's what mattered.

What the little guy saw.  They did a good job on the flight gear.  The photo of my little guy was taken before we saw the movie.  Needless to say he saw himself.

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« Reply #568 on: June 27, 2012, 07:34:36 AM »
I am sure they made a TV moive of this and it was very good.

To be honest alot of American flims produced are poor in quality, this remaking of old films is cheap and nasty. (dont get all moody about this comment) its not a personal slight against you all.

HBO seems to be the only producer of good programs.





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Re: Red Tails- Movie
« Reply #569 on: June 27, 2012, 07:52:35 AM »
I am sure they made a TV moive of this and it was very good.

To be honest alot of American flims produced are poor in quality, this remaking of old films is cheap and nasty. (dont get all moody about this comment) its not a personal slight against you all.

HBO seems to be the only producer of good programs.

We generally reserve the words "cheap and nasty" for other things besides movies. I watched this one to look at WW-ll airplanes, nothing more. Just like I own DVDs of movies like BOB, Memphis Belle, Tora-Tora-Tora....ect.

On another note. American made movies sell like hotcakes in foreign venues as much as are own. So I guess somebodys watching them overseas.






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