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Vintage jet crashes in Hudson near Kingston, NY
« on: February 27, 2011, 02:22:52 PM »


Vintage jet crashes in Hudson near Kingston, NY
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 KINGSTON, N.Y. — A vintage military jet, now privately owned and flown in air shows, crashed into ice on the Hudson River on Saturday as it came in for a landing at an airport in Kingston, authorities said. The pilot was missing and feared dead.

A search for the pilot, identified as Michael Faraldi, 38, of Germantown, was suspended late in the evening, state police said.

Divers searching the river for signs of Faraldi discovered that the front section of the plane, including the cockpit, had struck the river bed in about 5 feet of water, police said. The search was expected to resume Sunday.

The accident happened at about 1:30 p.m. near the Kingston-Rhinecliff Bridge, which spans the river midway between Albany and New York City.

Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Holly Baker said the aircraft was partially submerged after the crash. Only one person was known to be aboard the plane when it went down.

Faraldi was piloting the plane from Nashville, Tenn., to an airport in Ghent, N.Y., state police said.

The jet, a British-made BAC 167 Strikemaster, was headed to Kingston-Ulster Airport from an airfield Johnstown, Pa., when it went down, Baker said. The aircraft made a low pass over the airstrip before hitting the river.

There was no immediate word on whether the pilot reported any problems before the crash.

The jet was a type of training and light attack aircraft first made in the late 1960s and used by various air defense forces in the Middle East, Africa, South America and elsewhere. In recent years, it was owned by Dragon Aviation, a company that flies fighter jets in air shows all over the country.

A snarling green dragon adorned the jet's nose.

"This has got to be a bad dream," said the company's president, Andy Anderson, as he traveled to the crash scene Saturday afternoon. He said the pilot, who he declined to name, was "a good, good friend."

A person who answered the phone Saturday at Kingston-Ulster Airport said he couldn't answer any questions. The airstrip predominantly serves recreational aircraft and is home to a flying school. It sits just a few hundred yards from the river.
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Re: Vintage jet crashes in Hudson near Kingston, NY
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2011, 02:47:55 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2011, 07:06:40 PM »
The body was recovered today.  :frown:
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Re: Vintage jet crashes in Hudson near Kingston, NY
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2011, 06:49:55 AM »
sad to hear :(
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Re: Vintage jet crashes in Hudson near Kingston, NY
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2011, 06:52:51 AM »
Has there been any speculation or official determination on the cause of the crash?
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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2011, 01:18:42 PM »
Anyone find a FAA preliminary on this yet?
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Re: Vintage jet crashes in Hudson near Kingston, NY
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2011, 03:06:11 PM »
i live half an hour from Ghent, NY....scary.  :salute
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Re: Vintage jet crashes in Hudson near Kingston, NY
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2011, 03:51:03 PM »
Has there been any speculation or official determination on the cause of the crash?

According to what I read in the news he pulled up for a vertical climb (apparently overestimated the power to weight ratio), stalled. At that altitude and in such an aircraft it's next to impossible to recover from a stall in such a short time. Common cause: low level aerobatics.  
Again I would like to repeat that I concluded that based on what the news said, the original information might be inaccurate.

EDIT: Another news article says witnesses sow that when he pulled up he either restarted the throttle or the engine lost power.

 
Anyone find a FAA preliminary on this yet?

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Re: Vintage jet crashes in Hudson near Kingston, NY
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2011, 04:23:15 PM »
     I have family in Germantown and have driven by that airport plenty of times.  It's very close to the Hudson so it's
not unreasonable that an overshoot would land in it.
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Re: Vintage jet crashes in Hudson near Kingston, NY
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2011, 06:21:30 PM »
EDIT: Another news article says witnesses sow that when he pulled up he either restarted the throttle or the engine lost power.

i can't find the article i originally saw that said he had refueled the plane did a fly by for friends and family near by and had pulled up, think it said at a 90˚ angle, and the plane lost power and it nosed over. never said at what angle it went in to the Hudson.

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Re: Vintage jet crashes in Hudson near Kingston, NY
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2011, 12:24:12 AM »
Dang, I've stayed in Germantown for a few weeks and seen a little bit of the airport too

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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2011, 06:48:53 AM »
Any speculation on a compressor stall?
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Re: Vintage jet crashes in Hudson near Kingston, NY
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2011, 08:35:49 AM »
pulled up for a vertical climb (apparently overestimated the power to weight ratio), stalled.

14KN thrust, 5KN weight at SL. should be ok going vert? :headscratch:
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Re: Vintage jet crashes in Hudson near Kingston, NY
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2011, 08:53:39 AM »
14KN thrust, 5KN weight at SL. should be ok going vert? :headscratch:

Should be fine for the aircraft but sometimes poop happens and bad things happen to good people. Mechanical equipment; no matter how well maintained fails at the most in opportune time.

 :salute to the pilot....fair winds and clear skies sir. You got to do something that many of us only dream of doing for a living.  :pray for his family or think positive thoughts for them. They need it.
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Re: Vintage jet crashes in Hudson near Kingston, NY
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2011, 08:59:51 AM »
Should be fine for the aircraft but sometimes poop happens and bad things happen to good people. Mechanical equipment; no matter how well maintained fails at the most in opportune time.

 :salute to the pilot....fair winds and clear skies sir. You got to do something that many of us only dream of doing for a living.  :pray for his family or think positive thoughts for them. They need it.

Well said.... +1
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