Kids

[Banshee7]

I have seen real abuse with my own eyes.  Some of my friends have walked into class with bruises and marks because their parents had released their anger on them.  There is a huge difference between spanking your children out of love and hitting them out of anger.  That's just my opinion.

Thanks Cap, I won't "officially" be 19 until the 28th

[Westy]

"someone fill me in here. "

Impossible  simply because it's clear that you (and others) are incapable of realizing
that there's parenting which does not entail being hit as a show of love and protection.


"There is a huge difference "

No there isn't hitting a child is hitting a child.  Period

[Banshee7]

I find it funny how back in the "good old days" when punishment was taken seriously (where a spanking was not uncommon) that crime and just the overall population of young "thugs" was far more uncommon than it is today?  Is that just a coincidence, or am I paranoid?

[Westy]

You're looking backwards with rose colored glasses or you
have a selective memory.

[Banshee7]

I can't have a selective memory of something I never lived through.  I'm going off of my readings, studying, conversations and other forms of media about specific time periods.  You know, history majors tend to do that.

[CAP1]

I can't have a selective memory of something I never lived through.  I'm going off of my readings, studying, conversations and other forms of media about specific time periods.  You know, history majors tend to do that.

you're arguing with guys that think they can tell others how to raise their kids. you're not gonna win.

 just keep being you, keep making your parents proud, and when you have kids, do what's best for them, regardless of what others think. i get the impression you're gonna do just fine in life.

[Westy]

Bad spin Cap1. Bad spin. Like a true righty.  No one is telling anyone how to
raise their kids. It's a debate /argument over different parenting styles.

Bad spin.



"You know, history majors tend to do that."

Oh really. So where is your line drawn. Just want to be clear on what
you consider to be the past when supposedly "...punishment was taken
seriously (where a spanking was not uncommon) that crime and just the
overall population of young "thugs" was far more uncommon than it is today?"

Odd you didn't live then (whenever "then" was) but have such recollections
from your readings (feel free to share the works) that you know so much about
the subject.

[Banshee7]

Just take a look and compare the crimes rates of the early 20th Century in America and compare them to the last 20 years.  After you've done that, go do some reading on pieces that were written during that time or about that time and see what you can find out about the punishment during those times.  Heck, why not talk to some of the elders that lived during the 40s and 50s and see what they have to say.  The only representation of that time period that doesn't use a physical form of punishment is Andy Griffith, and even he spanked Opey (granted that's just a tv show, too).

[Westy]

 Non answer. Backing up your opinion with nothing but more of the
same. If you want to use what you've read to back your side up then
be prepared to cough something up that says youths of today are
more criminal and there are more thugs.
 You try to sound like you've already made the comparisons and done the
research. So what were your sources? You're whipping supposed stats
out there. Back them up.  19 and you know all about it? lol.  fer sure.

Better yet why don't you educate yourself as regards to the the long term,
negative effects of hitting a child.  I doubt you will as you and others like
CAP1 obviously have your blinders on and refuse to even think that life
could be different and imo better.

but. If you do start with some facts. Read this (below) and then if your
eyes open even a little bit move on to the more detailed studies. Hell you
could even educate yourself more these days and use Google to look into
you and crime going back hundreds of years. It just might make you sound
like you actually know what you're talking about.

http://www.behavioralinstitute.org/FreeDownloads/Behavior%20Reduction/Spanking_fact%20and%20fiction.pdf

[CAP1]

Bad spin Cap1. Bad spin. Like a true righty.  No one is telling anyone how to
raise their kids. It's a debate /argument over different parenting styles.

Bad spin.



"You know, history majors tend to do that."

Oh really. So where is your line drawn. Just want to be clear on what
you consider to be the past when supposedly "...punishment was taken
seriously (where a spanking was not uncommon) that crime and just the
overall population of young "thugs" was far more uncommon than it is today?"

Odd you didn't live then (whenever "then" was) but have such recollections
from your readings (feel free to share the works) that you know so much about
the subject.

it is no spin. almost everyone that thinks spanking or slapping your kid is totally wrong, is telling everyone else that they should raise their kids without violence. they're then telling us all why it is wrong.
 those that are saying that a spanking here and there is not so bad, are pretty basically saying to raise your kids how you feel is right(as i have).

 violence doesn't always beget violence.

 although i never once slapped or spanked my step-daughter, my ex-wife did.  yet my step daughter now having a son(who from what i hear is a handful) hasn't once slapped him. bet has spanked him on occasion. he seems to respect, and listen to bet a little better than his own mother too. wonder why that may be?

[Westy]

"wonder why that may be?"

To be blunt? Poor parenting. I has nothing to do with hitting
or spanking.

I see the same respectful, obedient behavior from dozens of kids
who've never been hit once. Hmm. wonder why that may be?

Feel free to show me some study (other than from some wacked out
muslim/christian/religious cult) that shows physical punishment works
and has a positive effect and provides for long term well being and
social interaction.

(may be off for the w/e in a bit. So children of some of these folks
and in some of the towns of some posters here. Watch your teeth
and make up should cover that black eye)

[CAP1]

studys can be, and have been manipulated to give the desired results. in pretty much everything.

 leeann doesn't seem to be a poor parent from what bet tells me.....'cept she gives in sometimes when she shouldn't.

 the kid likes spending time with grandmom better than being at home though.

[Westy]

"So, I should hate my mother..."

Absolutely not. What a ridiculous statement.

But you're 19 now and as adult you should be able to reason
whats right and what's not. No need to hold it against her but
if you fail to understand that hitting kids is 'teH fail' then too
bad for the kids yuo may have some day.

[CAP1]

"So, I should hate my mother..."

Absolutely not. What a ridiculous statement.

But you're 19 now and as adult you should be able to reason
whats right and what's not. No need to hold it against her but
if you fail to understand that hitting kids is 'teH fail' then too
bad for the kids yuo may have some day.

then the mother of a guy that runs a fleet of 16 vehicles for a volunteer organization, mentors about 30 teens, teaches them about flying, how planes fly, brings in the state pd to demo their helicopters for them, sets up practice sar missions for them to learn on,......whelp...she had her parents must have failed miserably. i'll be sure to tell her that when i talk to her tonight. i'm sure she'll be happy to hear that.

 

[dedalos]

wow.....i can't believe you realize this at such a young age. my hat is off to you sir. if only i had realized what you typed when i was that young/........but at least i realize it now.

 oh yea....and happy early birthday!! 

Translation:  I can't believe you agree with me.  Hats off to you sir for having the same opinion as I do. 

My kids believe the Easter Bunny is real.  Well, the little one at list.  They also look for a dollar from the tooth fairy and lets not forget the fat guy coming down the chimney we don't even have.  My point is, they will believe anything if you tell them long enough that it is true.  If your mom told you she hit you out of love, that is what you will believe.   Did you also believe on the above to be true?

Don;t hate your parents.  They probably did not know any better or were listening to other clueless people.  But yes, she did hit you out of anger for doing what ever it is you did.