the couger declared extinct.

[oakranger]

Yeah Oak, I was wondering what experience you had with these.  There haven't been very many confirmed sightings here in Kansas, but about half the people you talk to will swear they saw one.  Not too long ago here in Lawrence we had a large cat get hit by a car on the outskirts of town.  They never got a picture of it and just cleaned it up, which led many people to believe the Lawrence Police is now involved in the conspiracy to cover-up mountain lions in the area. 

Well, i believe that they are in Kansas..but a vary low number.  THere was one resent sighting this pass fall that was caught on a motion camera and the only one that ever been document by camera in Kansas that i know of.  Other than the resent event, the last well know document was in the 1960s. 
You are right about one thing, you talk to half of the farmers and ranchers and claim they seen one on their land.  When i was working for the federal and state as a rangeland management specialist, there where countless of times i met a rancher or farmer that said they have one on their land.  Some of them show me the tracks.  I laugh and told them that they are not cougar tracks, in fact, they not even tracks of any cat spices.  They are tracks from the Canis family - dog.  But they still claim that they are around. 
If you really think about it.  Of all the ranchers/farmers/hunters and trigger happy fools in Kansas.  I find it interesting not one of them shot at and killed a cougar.  Then call the media to show it off.  There is not state law that i know of that you can not shot a cougar. 

[Tyrannis]

Well, i believe that they are in Kansas..but a vary low number.  THere was one resent sighting this pass fall that was caught on a motion camera and the only one that ever been document by camera in Kansas that i know of.  Other than the resent event, the last well know document was in the 1960s. 
You are right about one thing, you talk to half of the farmers and ranchers and claim they seen one on their land.  When i was working for the federal and state as a rangeland management specialist, there where countless of times i met a rancher or farmer that said they have one on their land.  Some of them show me the tracks.  I laugh and told them that they are not cougar tracks, in fact, they not even tracks of any cat spices.  They are tracks from the Canis family - dog.  But they still claim that they are around. 
If you really think about it.  Of all the ranchers/farmers/hunters and trigger happy fools in Kansas.  I find it interesting not one of them shot at and killed a cougar.  Then call the media to show it off.  There is not state law that i know of that you can not shot a cougar. 

i think cougars are on the endangered species list. and thats why they didnt shoot them.or atleast if they did shoot them didnt parade them around the media.

[Jayhawk]

i think cougars are on the endangered species list. and thats why they didnt shoot them.or atleast if they did shoot them didnt parade them around the media.

1. I don't think these farmers are too concerned about the endangered species list.

2.  They'll tell people, farmers talk like women at a hair salon.

[oakranger]

i think cougars are on the endangered species list. and thats why they didnt shoot them.or atleast if they did shoot them didnt parade them around the media.

Here are two facts about the T&E Act.

1) 80% of American supports it
2) Not in my back yard

Having to say that, most people do not know what species are on the list.  As for the ranchers and farmers in Kansas, the only species they do know that is on the list is the Greater and Lessor Prairie Chicken. 

[lulu]

"they (cougars)are designed to kill"

This is a wrong statement.

They do their job to survival.

Man is the only animal, among the earth's creatures, who kills for nothing.

We are the problem, cougers the solutions.

Now, in a part of the world, a free spirit is missing and the
human soul is much poor and alone from the paradise.

What remains is a bunch of with unfair man and woman
dancing as a mad around their stupid rifles idols.


 

[SIK1]

"they (cougars)are designed to kill"

This is a wrong statement.

They do their job to survival.

Man is the only animal, among the earth's creatures, who kills for nothing.

We are the problem, cougers the solutions.

Now, in a part of the world, a free spirit is missing and the
human soul is much poor and alone from the paradise.

What remains is a bunch of with unfair man and woman
dancing as a mad around their stupid rifles idols.


 

We have cougars here. They are beautiful animals for sure. One of the things that makes them so beautiful to us is the deadly grace they exhibit. Don't kid yourself though, they are not cute little kitty cats, they are top of the tier predators who can be very dangerous if encountered under the wrong circumstance. I saw one once heading down to Oak Bottom Campground one morning like he/she had not a care in the world. One was shot a few years back after it had been lurking outside the French Gulch school's playground, and just last year one was reported within the Anderson city limits, as well as on the Sacramento River Trail in Redding.

We may be the problem but if you live with them you better be aware that they view you as nothing more than prey. Around here they have no natural predators so they seem to do well. So well in fact, that they are starting to move out of the wild life areas and into populated areas. There have been several cougar attacks on humans just in California that I'm aware of in the last decade  and not out in the woods like you would expect but in suburban areas. Normally around bike/walking paths.

Another fun fact, cougars like a lot of big cats like to attack from ambush, and will wait for you to pass so that they can attack you from behind. They will try to grab your neck or head after they have pounced onto your back knocking you to the ground if you don't have a dedicated friend or good samaritan willing to help you out you're probably cat food.

[caldera]

Man is the only animal, among the earth's creatures, who kills for nothing.

Total BS.  Do you know anyone that owns a house cat?  Those vile vermin of Satan joyfully tear apart all manner of defenseless creatures and leave their remains on your new carpeting. 

[Reaper90]

This was taken from that article....

Researchers believe the eastern cougar subspecies has probably been extinct since the 1930s.

Never let facts get in the way of a good argument (or whine).  

[Reaper90]

Total BS.  Do you know anyone that owns a house cat?  Those vile vermin of Satan joyfully tear apart all manner of defenseless creatures and leave their remains on your new carpeting. 

Thank you Snuggie. I laughed out loud when I read his wandering babble. Another person with apparently no experience with most any animal what-so-ever, save for maybe a poodle or chihuahua. 

[DREDIOCK]

My bro in law used to be the Commander of the National Guard base in Utah. Several years back they trapped a lion, tagged it and put a tracking device on it. They then turned it loose and just watched. If you know what Utah looks like they were shocked at where this lion went. It went from Camp Williams, crossed I-15, went through Lehi, American Fork, into Lindon and Orem. Went through allies, backyards, down streets, along canals, etc. It then went onto the base of Mnt Timpanogos and followed the base of that mountain back to Camp Williams. Literally this lion went through backyards, etc. They checked missing animals, no way to prove it but they did find that a number of cats and dogs were reported missing over this one week galavant.

This almost makes your point, that coexisting with lions is going to be fine. They also noted that not a single person reported a lion roaming the neighborhood. Is this replicatable out East? There are stories of lions killing people, even though the environmentalists deny it. The East has nothing even close to open space that Utah has. maybe its fine but...

One thing is for sure. If a State out East decided they wanted a number of lions, Utah would likely volunteer no problem. Utah has more lions per square mile then any other place in North America. They eat and kill between 30-50 deer a year. Help clean up some White Tail out East.

If they want them...

Boo

Yep around here white tails have become somewhat problematic there are so many of them. Last week in a two mile stretch I counted no less then 6 roadkilled dear along side the road. Lion and wolf populations would be beneficial around here. But the same peta types that protest the deer and bear hunts every year are often the same ones that complain when they movie to the rural areas and see the bear going through their trashcans

[DREDIOCK]

We have cougars here. They are beautiful animals for sure. One of the things that makes them so beautiful to us is the deadly grace they exhibit. Don't kid yourself though, they are not cute little kitty cats, they are top of the tier predators who can be very dangerous if encountered under the wrong circumstance. I saw one once heading down to Oak Bottom Campground one morning like he/she had not a care in the world. One was shot a few years back after it had been lurking outside the French Gulch school's playground, and just last year one was reported within the Anderson city limits, as well as on the Sacramento River Trail in Redding.

We may be the problem but if you live with them you better be aware that they view you as nothing more than prey. Around here they have no natural predators so they seem to do well. So well in fact, that they are starting to move out of the wild life areas and into populated areas. There have been several cougar attacks on humans just in California that I'm aware of in the last decade  and not out in the woods like you would expect but in suburban areas. Normally around bike/walking paths.

Another fun fact, cougars like a lot of big cats like to attack from ambush, and will wait for you to pass so that they can attack you from behind. They will try to grab your neck or head after they have pounced onto your back knocking you to the ground if you don't have a dedicated friend or good samaritan willing to help you out you're probably cat food.

Hmmm. sounds alot like the indigenous human population here in Camden and Newark.

[Rino]

true they are designed to kill, but think about it. do we really have the right to kill off a whole species of animal that roamed this earth longer than we have?
i find it the same way with all animals.
if we get killed by them, then its our own fault for wandering into its territory. most of humanity has lost all its respect for nature. and then get a hard dose of reality slapped in there face when nature retaliates.

if you get attacked by the animal, by all means defend yourself. but to go out and hunt the animal to sell its fur and body just for a little $$$? that is unacceptable.

theres ways of keeping cougers out of human zones and humans out of couger territory without bloodshed being needed on ether side.

sadly tho humans get greedy. and over expand. pushing animals to the brink of there habitat. you can only push a wild animal back so many times before it desides to lash out.

      Of all the things you have posted, this has to be the least sensible yet.  I suppose that you wouldn't mind not living
or vacationing by nature because an animal lives there?  Of course you have to retroactively move people out
because they think the eastern cougar has been extinct since the 30s. 

     I suppose we'd have to live on places like Iwo Jima because anywhere else is bound to have some sort of wildlife
on or in it.  Or is it only animals you find attractive that apply?

[morfiend]

The eastern cougar may be extinct but we've had plenty of sightings the past few years. They are trying to determine if these cats are true eastern cats or have they move this way or if in fact they are released pets that grew to be too much trouble to keep.

 All of the eastern coast of N.A. had or has populations of cougars,pumas,mountain lions,whatever name you want to use,what we never had before were coyotes and their numbers are growing to dangerous levels. They're taking small pets out of yards and last summer one even took a poodle/fluffymutt right off the leash of it's owner! Yes they've become that bold.

 The cougars arent as bold yet and are rarely seen,beside there's so many deer around it's easy pickings for them.


     

[Skulls22]

Nooo!!!! I love cougars!

[MiloMorai]

Total BS.  Do you know anyone that owns a house cat?  Those vile vermin of Satan joyfully tear apart all manner of defenseless creatures and leave their remains on your new carpeting. 

I didn't know humans eat the humans they kill.