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Offline guncrasher

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Re: Autopilot VS mode.
« Reply #60 on: March 06, 2011, 01:05:04 AM »
just two things to point out:

i can climb 2k feet in less than 6k (assuming you were just out of icon range when your friend told you)  hardly losing any speed.

i can dive my b26's from 8k to 0 within radar range to land safely. much less a fiter.

it seems to me that you really want to be able to rope people easier by setting auto climb at max speed all the way till you stall.  that's the only advantage i see by changing the current set up.

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Re: Autopilot VS mode.
« Reply #61 on: March 06, 2011, 01:08:57 AM »
just two things to point out:

i can climb 2k feet in less than 6k (assuming you were just out of icon range when your friend told you)  hardly losing any speed.

i can dive my b26's from 8k to 0 within radar range to land safely. much less a fiter.

it seems to me that you really want to be able to rope people easier by setting auto climb at max speed all the way till you stall.  that's the only advantage i see by changing the current set up.

semp

The numbered I used were an example, increase the numbers and you wont be able to just change you altitude and just do a vertical dive for your final.

It seems to me that you don't understand anything that's not about roping, no offence.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2011, 01:14:49 AM by MachFly »
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Re: Autopilot VS mode.
« Reply #62 on: March 06, 2011, 01:16:39 AM »
joystick and shift+x...if you know plane well, that's all you need and it's faster than dot (###)...just sayin
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Re: Autopilot VS mode.
« Reply #63 on: March 06, 2011, 04:52:59 AM »
machfly i think we are all confused as to what you are asking, perhaps a better example would be good.  if you just want something to get to 20k withing 2 sectors at max speed. well he already said no.

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Re: Autopilot VS mode.
« Reply #64 on: March 06, 2011, 05:04:53 AM »
machfly i think we are all confused as to what you are asking, perhaps a better example would be good.  if you just want something to get to 20k withing 2 sectors at max speed. well he already said no.

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I have no idea what your talking about. If you want an explanation to my request I can quote a few posts from the previous page, seems like majority of the people here & now understand exactly what I'm talking about. What do you mean getting to 20K within 2 sectors at max speed? To fly at max speed you need to be moving straight & level. Who is "he" and said "no" to what?  :confused:


As you stated that you are confused please explain what part of setting the autopilot to keep vertical speed do you not understand?
« Last Edit: March 06, 2011, 05:10:44 AM by MachFly »
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Re: Autopilot VS mode.
« Reply #65 on: March 06, 2011, 06:26:01 AM »
let me have auto-rope and auto-E-fight


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Re: Autopilot VS mode.
« Reply #66 on: March 06, 2011, 06:33:34 AM »
let me have auto-rope and auto-E-fight


priceless wish!  :rofl

Feel free to make another thread to request this, I don't know why you would talk about that here.
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Re: Autopilot VS mode.
« Reply #67 on: March 06, 2011, 06:36:42 AM »
You want an auto pilot that makes you escape from enemies using E fighting potential of any given aircraft.

That is the only way your OP can be read.
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Re: Autopilot VS mode.
« Reply #68 on: March 06, 2011, 06:42:32 AM »
You want an auto pilot that makes you escape from enemies using E fighting potential of any given aircraft.

That is the only way your OP can be read.

Here is the first thing I wrote:

I'll like to have an option of keeping the autopilot in vertical speed mode.

It has absolutely nothing to do with energy fights. It could help you when both airplanes very low on energy and have equal energy, but your a lot safer doing it on manual control. Also that would help you only if your airplane climbs a lot better that everything around you.

Read this post
Say your cruising and want to make a shallow accent or decent. You can just set it to 500ft/m or 1000ft/m (of what ever) and there you have it. Here is a more specific example: Your flying at your mil. power to a fight 50 miles away. A squady tells you that there is a con at 12K, your flying at 10K. You want to be at least as high as that con not to be at a disadvantage but you also want to get there as soon as possible. Therefore you don't want to set your speed to the best climb rate because you will loose a lot of that speed and it will take time for you to accelerate again. You know that a given speed it will take you 4 minutes to fly that distance. So you set your autopilot to climb at 500ft/m and you arrive there at the fastest time and at the right altitude. You do not really want to be keeping your airplane on manual control for thous 4 minutes.  

Also if your coming back to the airport and you know that at this distance, at approximatively this speed (your speed will change but not by much), and this decent rate you will be at the right altitude by the airport so you start your decent at that rate.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2011, 06:44:38 AM by MachFly »
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Re: Autopilot VS mode.
« Reply #69 on: March 06, 2011, 06:44:19 AM »
Quote from: MachFly


Say you have 3+ enemy fighters on your 6 and they are all faster than you, but you are capable of outclimbing them. So you just set you autopilot to climb at 5000ft/min (or what ever your airplane can do) and you'll be safe (just make sure you don't stall).



was this not also in your origianl post?


I'm not trying to be a dick Mach, sorry.  Why don't we just auto-guns instead of having to aim? You are not capable of outclimbing the enemy, your plane is. If you can't do that yourself, no, you should not get an auto-option to do it.
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Re: Autopilot VS mode.
« Reply #70 on: March 06, 2011, 06:46:15 AM »


was this not also in your origianl post?


I'm not trying to be a dick Mach, sorry.

I used a bad example, that i'm fault. Try to ignore that specific example.

If you can't do that yourself, no, you should not get an auto-option to do it.

It's actually a lot better to do it your self at that point.
If you want I can explain exactly how that maneuver works and why I used that example, but that's not the point of the request.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2011, 06:49:45 AM by MachFly »
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Re: Autopilot VS mode.
« Reply #71 on: March 06, 2011, 10:35:24 AM »
You could use auto angle as mentioned before.
Say your cruising and want to make a shallow accent or decent. You can just set it to 500ft/m or 1000ft/m (of what ever) and there you have it. Here is a more specific example: Your flying at your mil. power to a fight 50 miles away. A squady tells you that there is a con at 12K, your flying at 10K. You want to be at least as high as that con not to be at a disadvantage but you also want to get there as soon as possible. Therefore you don't want to set your speed to the best climb rate because you will loose a lot of that speed and it will take time for you to accelerate again. You know that a given speed it will take you 4 minutes to fly that distance. So you set your autopilot to climb at 500ft/m and you arrive there at the fastest time and at the right altitude. You do not really want to be keeping your airplane on manual control for thous 4 minutes. 

Also if your coming back to the airport and you know that at this distance, at approximatively this speed (your speed will change but not by much), and this decent rate you will be at the right altitude by the airport so you start your decent at that rate. (I know you know this one because your a pilot as well).



EDIT: Ignore my first explanation on the first post. It was after 3 days of no sleep and I was being retarded. It's a lot better to keep your airplane on manual control in that situation.

So you climb 2k at auto best climb speed then you fly level to the fight and get there with max level speed. That's easier than figuring the math to know what rate of climb you need to set.

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Re: Autopilot VS mode.
« Reply #72 on: March 06, 2011, 05:11:28 PM »
You could use auto angle as mentioned before.
So you climb 2k at auto best climb speed then you fly level to the fight and get there with max level speed. That's easier than figuring the math to know what rate of climb you need to set.

True, but I would like to have the actual dot command for that autopilot, just like we have it for the speed.

I never thought that this math could be hard, I view it as basic. But then again what's wrong with doing a little math while playing the game? Sure this is absolutely not the reason why I want it implemented but it will definitely not make the game worse because it will not be a required feature.
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Re: Autopilot VS mode.
« Reply #73 on: March 06, 2011, 06:41:48 PM »
Say your cruising and want to make a shallow accent or decent. You can just set it to 500ft/m or 1000ft/m (of what ever) and there you have it.


This is a definition only, your just restating what you wish not why.

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Here is a more specific example: Your flying at your mil. power to a fight 50 miles away. A squady tells you that there is a con at 12K, your flying at 10K. You want to be at least as high as that con not to be at a disadvantage but you also want to get there as soon as possible. Therefore you don't want to set your speed to the best climb rate because you will loose a lot of that speed and it will take time for you to accelerate again. You know that a given speed it will take you 4 minutes to fly that distance. So you set your autopilot to climb at 500ft/m and you arrive there at the fastest time and at the right altitude. You do not really want to be keeping your airplane on manual control for thous 4 minutes. 

Nope life dosn't work this way. Something will change, want to arrive in 4 mins, no problem set .speed for 50 miles in 4 mins. You will arive on time but at no definition of alt.

But setting constant climb rate 500 would get you to 12 k 4 mins, but you would have no idea what your speed would be, hence you have no idea when you would arrive. And if you did know what your speed would be, you could just type that .speed and be climbing at 500 fps.

If your buddy is in a fight, he most likely would not be at 12k when you got their. By cruise climbing you would also be giving up a lot of E vs doing best climb to 12k then level. I.E. I can not think of a REAL situation where someone would really want to do this.

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Also if your coming back to the airport and you know that at this distance, at approximatively this speed (your speed will change but not by much), and this decent rate you will be at the right altitude by the airport so you start your decent at that rate. (I know you know this one because your a pilot as well).

So if you know all this, just type in the .speed and adjust power for decent rate. It is exactly the same as type .climb command and adjusting power for speed.

So I see you asking for it, but I really can see a real use for it. All your examples would not work as you desire.

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Re: Autopilot VS mode.
« Reply #74 on: March 06, 2011, 06:49:39 PM »
Right, I see your point.
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