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Re: Thoughts? Deployment
« Reply #60 on: March 07, 2011, 07:28:35 PM »
Or don't leave, enjoy your youth, and not worry when you have to come back.

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Re: Thoughts? Deployment
« Reply #61 on: March 07, 2011, 07:29:13 PM »
Except that you'll be in there so long that you'll either take a bullet or lose your mind.

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Re: Thoughts? Deployment
« Reply #62 on: March 07, 2011, 07:29:52 PM »
Except that you'll be in there so long that you'll either take a bullet or lose your mind.

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Re: Thoughts? Deployment
« Reply #63 on: March 07, 2011, 07:31:50 PM »
MarineUS, you should revisit what prompted you to enlist, your answer is there.

You, and only you, can make this decision.  I think you already know the answer anyway.

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Re: Thoughts? Deployment
« Reply #64 on: March 07, 2011, 07:33:33 PM »
You need to stop posting here.

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He makes some good points, but puts them across in precisely the wrong ways, IMO.

And MarineUS: for what (little) it's worth, I don't think the solution to the problems with Afghanistan is a military one.  Personally, I'd say that you shouldn't go, but then again I am rather biased against war.  Just my 0.02 cents (or is it pence...?)

edit: I often wonder about a person's net impact on the world.  Have you thought about what impact you can make on other people's lives if you go and deploy versus not deploying?
« Last Edit: March 07, 2011, 07:56:47 PM by Yossarian »
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Re: Thoughts? Deployment
« Reply #65 on: March 07, 2011, 07:35:56 PM »
He makes some good points, but puts them across in precisely the wrong ways, IMO.

And MarineUS: for what (little) it's worth, I don't think the solution to the problems with Afghanistan is a military one.  Personally, I'd say that you shouldn't go, but then again I am rather biased against war.  Just my 0.02 cents (or is it pence...?)

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Re: Thoughts? Deployment
« Reply #66 on: March 07, 2011, 07:38:28 PM »
off topic, Dicho's right..
« Last Edit: March 07, 2011, 07:57:23 PM by Yossarian »
Afk for a year or so.  The name of a gun turret in game.  Falanx, huh? :banana:
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Re: Thoughts? Deployment
« Reply #67 on: March 07, 2011, 07:39:18 PM »
None, but what I've heard from local veterans seems to point towards Murphy's law and PTSD taking their toll.  I'm convinced that I've been looking in the wrong places though (nursing homes, Veterans Center).  Seriously, don't you guys have a rather fanatical cleaning regimen for your weapons?  These guys just left 'em in the dirt.  I think this may have something to do with it.

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Re: Thoughts? Deployment
« Reply #68 on: March 07, 2011, 07:42:25 PM »
Я не русский! :P

Sorry, I don't speak Spanish.
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Re: Thoughts? Deployment
« Reply #69 on: March 07, 2011, 07:49:58 PM »
how about we not derail this thread with nonsense

Marine..

I have my own opinion but I'll keep that to myself and I wouldn't think less of you if you took the opposing point of view. 

Each man has to look inside of himself and make the decisions in life that allow him to look himself in the mirror in the morning and see someone he respects.  Right now you're at a crossroads and the decisions you make can have a wide variety of ramifications.  Just decide on what you can live with and be absolutely positively sure you can do it without regrets. 

Welcome to being an adult where you're constantly between a rock and a hard place.

Either way..  :salute

At least you're seeking some counsel prior to making a decision.  As diverse and opinionated as this place can be I do think 95% of the folks here do have your best interests at heart. 
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Re: Thoughts? Deployment
« Reply #70 on: March 08, 2011, 01:31:52 AM »
how about we not derail this thread with nonsense

Marine..

I have my own opinion but I'll keep that to myself and I wouldn't think less of you if you took the opposing point of view. 

Each man has to look inside of himself and make the decisions in life that allow him to look himself in the mirror in the morning and see someone he respects.  Right now you're at a crossroads and the decisions you make can have a wide variety of ramifications.  Just decide on what you can live with and be absolutely positively sure you can do it without regrets. 

Welcome to being an adult where you're constantly between a rock and a hard place.

Either way..  :salute

At least you're seeking some counsel prior to making a decision.  As diverse and opinionated as this place can be I do think 95% of the folks here do have your best interests at heart. 
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Re: Thoughts? Deployment
« Reply #71 on: March 08, 2011, 10:55:57 AM »
MarineUS, you should revisit what prompted you to enlist, your answer is there.

You, and only you, can make this decision.  I think you already know the answer anyway.

I agree 100%.  When it comes to deployment orders, you go when you're ordered to go, pretty simple.  When it comes to volunteering to go when you don't have to, the opinions of others shouldn't be the deciding factor even though getting the opinions of people you respect is a good idea.  You know how you felt when you signed up, how you felt when you finished basic, and you probably have a good idea what your "mission in life" is, with regards to your military service.  That ought to be enough to make your decision.  And as RTR said, you probably already know what the answer is, even if it conflicts with your feelings in other areas like with how you feel about your fiance.

My specific suggestion is if you deploy, you really need to have your stuff in order back home, including uncomfortable issues like having the right paperwork for taking care of dependents and for taking care of yourself if you come home unable to care for yourself.

My other comments were focused entirely on the opinion aspects of the various suggestions, specifically Penguin's opinion being considered an extreme one.  In my worthless opinion, Penguin's perspective is just a bit off of center and not extreme at all.  It seems perfectly reasonable to me that someone who does not think that the war in Afghanistan serves the interests of the US would advise someone else to avoid voluntarily endangering themselves in what they see as a needless war.  That isn't extreme, that's common sense.  The mirror image of that opinion is the advice to actively volunteer to go to what some people think is a needless war simply because even if it isn't a war for national survival, our nation's leaders have made the call and a patriot will answer that call every single time.

Again in my worthless opinion, those are opinions within the bounds of rational debate.  The extremes are populated by people who advocate deploying just for the chance to kill some Muslims (yea those people exist), those who actually attack everyone in the military simply because they are part of an organization engaged in carrying out our national defense policy, and those who commit treason instead of participating in the legal processes to advocate policy change.  Those are the extremes and in my opinion despicable positions, and I didn't see any of those opinions in messages here.

One of my Dad's best friends in high school went back to Vietnam 3 times as an airborne FAC and spotter, after serving his time his first deployment.  He didn't make it back from his third trip, so I grew up understanding full well the implications of volunteering to return to a hotly debated war.  And I have volunteered to participate in several hotly debated military activities in the last couple of years not because they would make me look good in front of my peers, and certainly not because they might help my career, but simply because I felt that participating in the process would be preferable to just complaining about what others are doing about some important issues.  So trust me, I also know exactly what volunteering for an unpleasant and controversial mission is like.
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Re: Thoughts? Deployment
« Reply #72 on: March 08, 2011, 10:56:51 AM »
Its not so hard.  It comes down to why you joined.  Did you join for the paycheck or did you join because you believe you will be serving your country that is under attack?  In the second case, if you go you will be serving your country and protecting the woman you love.  In the first, well, get another job.

So, which one is it?

I don't think it's quite that simple.
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Re: Thoughts? Deployment
« Reply #73 on: March 08, 2011, 11:05:00 AM »
edit: I often wonder about a person's net impact on the world.  Have you thought about what impact you can make on other people's lives if you go and deploy versus not deploying?

I'm currently deployed in a job that will make a difference, depending on how we do our job.  There are about 12 instructor pilots building up the new Iraqi AF pilot training program, literally from scratch.  If we give themselves something they can use and build on, we could cut our involvement in the defense of Iraq by years, if not decades.  If we don't do it right, the result could be the US having to defend Iraq for many more years.  We've been here 20 years now, and that gives me a pretty big incentive to get it right.  I don't like deploying here any more than anyone else, and I know for a fact that my actions can directly influence future USAF involvement in Iraq.

That doesn't mean my efforts couldn't be made completely irrelevant by any number of political, economic, or military decisions made at levels above me, but if the program isn't squashed outright then at least maybe we gave it a chance to start out on the right foot.

And the flip side of what I could have done if I didn't deploy, are also reasonably important.  In addition to ensuring my 1 and 3 yr old kids are properly raised within a complete family, my wife is a doctor and can't work very much when I'm deployed.  So whenever she isn't working, that's one fewer doctor saving people's lives back at home.  That matters too.  I suppose I'm lucky that the impact I'm making, no matter what I do, is reasonably obvious.  I don't think it makes the decision or deployment any less stressful though.

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Re: Thoughts? Deployment
« Reply #74 on: March 08, 2011, 11:35:10 AM »
I have nothing against soldiers, I just think it's not in the best intrests of survival to join.
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And this is the crux of the matter.  Thankfully there are a lot of people who feel that their best interests for survival are best served by ensuring the survival of the society they live in.  We know how bad life is in some other nations, and how bad life is in a nation that collapses into chaos.  It serves nobody's survival interest to let that sort of thing happen, so it's a good thing that many people are able to look past their own selfish interests and see how they and everyone they care for will benefit from sacrificial service that preserves their society and nation.

That is also the difference between adult and child, the adult recognizing that personal sacrifices and risks are not only acceptable sometimes, but sometimes *should* be voluntarily accepted in order to preserve the greater societal structure that directly supports and benefits not just the individual, but everyone the individual cares about.  And that's what military service tends to be all about, when the discussion revolves around volunteering for service.

The issue would, by logical progression, eventually narrow down to the question of if a specific act of volunteering is beneficial to the society or not.  And that argument will not be settled because even as a career officer myself, I can see perfectly rational arguments on both sides of the question.  In my mind, there are some very good reasons to volunteer to go to Afghanistan, and also some perfectly good reasons to not go.  But not one of those arguments revolve around the intellectually childish goal seeking personal safety above all other considerations.  That's an objective that most military members discarded fairly early in life.
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