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Offline StokesAk

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Re: Make the strats a goal again
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2011, 06:10:19 PM »
Maybe I'm reading this thread wrong (yep I missed the short bus lol), is everyone saying it serves no purpose to bomb the strats?

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Correct, as of now they do not affect gameplay in almost any way.
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Re: Make the strats a goal again
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2011, 06:20:57 PM »
Correct, as of now they do not affect gameplay in almost any way.

WOW!  Did not know this......I agree total BS!  Here all this time I've been upping buffs to hit strats in effort to kill Dar, help slow down the bad guys.  I agree, HiTech you REALLY need to address this.  Give me the B29, for WHAT!!.......hanger banging.......I don't think so!  Was considering upping 29's for strat killing, getting the whole squad involved!!  But now that I know it will make no difference what so ever........WHY BOTHER!!!  Not a happy camper!

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Re: Make the strats a goal again
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2011, 06:49:04 PM »
Well, they do have some effect on the gameplay going on, but it is only considered minor if anything at all since it has no effect in relation to the current primary "smash and grab" or "furballing" play styles going on elsewhere on the map.
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Re: Make the strats a goal again
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2011, 07:05:51 PM »
+1 on the idea of making the strats matter...... could even bring in a low level straffing mission for the escorting fighters for when they get bored of no action.  P-47s on the deck lighting up the trains and such, would make it more interesting and purposeful for sure. 

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Re: Make the strats a goal again
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2011, 07:20:02 PM »
Correct, as of now they do not affect gameplay in almost any way.

Strats effect regeneration times of dar, ords, troops, and fuel porked at airbases. The city effects strat regeneration time.

Strats were never a goal as envisioned by HTC for game play (see above). They were easy to hit and fun to blow up. Almost no one said, "if I do this then this will happen."

Now strats are not easy to hit and you can get more points hitting easier things closer.

So, translation: It's Too Hard!! Again.


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Re: Make the strats a goal again
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2011, 07:55:22 PM »
Strats effect regeneration times of dar, ords, troops, and fuel porked at airbases. The city effects strat regeneration time.

Strats were never a goal as envisioned by HTC for game play (see above). They were easy to hit and fun to blow up. Almost no one said, "if I do this then this will happen."

Now strats are not easy to hit and you can get more points hitting easier things closer.

So, translation: It's Too Hard!! Again.


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It has been stated by HTCs many times that the strats are to be a secondary objective to the main front-line action(s) going on in a map.  They however have also expressed though that they should bear some notable relation and influence on a map and thus be considered more-valuable than-not to a country and its war effort(s).

I don't know if the point of this thread is a whine for them being too hard or for them wanting to see a measurable impact on gameplay.  As it is there is no shortage of players willing to put in the effort to bomb strats, or players to put in the time and effort to defend them (which is no trivial task, taking a prop-fighter up to 30+k to intercept a buff), so I think the proof in the pudding is obvious that they aren't too hard and that players have been participating in attacking and defending the strats for arguabley a questionable reward.

That questionable reward, for those that have been overlooking it, has been a noticable impact to players egaged in combat or operations elsewhere on the map:
Furballing - long prolonged engagements between specific bases, going back and forth, with each one taking stabs at each other's bases and supporting facilities at the bases, there's always something not at 100% anyways.  Those engaged locally in that furball are unaware of any difference between the fuel refinery getting leveled at the distantly-located strat and a single con "breaking through the line" with ord and bombing the local fuel storages on the airfield the fighting is taking place out of.
Organized Smash n Grabs - these people are looking for bases to grab where either fighting has died off or been non existent for a very long time.  They are looking to avoid the bases engaged in fighting and take a base the defenders are currently not massed at (can't blame them, it's a smarter investment of their effort if they're determined to capture a base).  These bases have typicaly been left to regenerate, absent of battle, for hours of not more.  When you're looking to target a base that hasn't been beaten on in hours, and capture it in 15 minutes or less if possible, the strats have no noticable influence.  If things are regenerating variabley at between 40 minutes or 20 minutes, and a base hasn't flashed in over two hours, of cource it's going ot be 100% up, the attackers don't even think about it - it's a given.  As for the defenders, they may try to foil the base take and not loose it, but chances are that not one of them were spending the previous hour or two defending the strats so that facilities on the assaulted field can respawn quicker (and a shorter/smaller defence required to defend the base attempting to be captured)... or in other words, hoping they can put up enough of a defence for a furballing situation to develop, or the attackers to just give up.  Again, to these participants in this situation, weather the strats are thriving or burning make absolutely no difference or noticable impact.
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Re: Make the strats a goal again
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2011, 08:12:42 PM »
Perhaps make strat-bombing affect that countries particular ENY
level for a short amount of time. If you think about it, you're
basically bombing the production facilities for the high-end aircraft,
meaning that the country would have to revert back to older AC
to compensate.

This would never work IMO, but imagine the fight it would bring
to the strats?
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Re: Make the strats a goal again
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2011, 08:20:08 PM »
+1 to this idea.  Strats need to make a difference so that it makes sense to spend the time attacking and defending them. 

Last nights massive B-29 strat raid was enjoyed  by a great many players on all sides.  Anything HTC does make that sort of massive mission a regular occurrence would be a definite plus to this game.

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Re: Make the strats a goal again
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2011, 12:15:24 AM »
+1 to this idea.  Strats need to make a difference so that it makes sense to spend the time attacking and defending them. 

Last nights massive B-29 strat raid was enjoyed  by a great many players on all sides.  Anything HTC does make that sort of massive mission a regular occurrence would be a definite plus to this game.

The HUGE problem with launching these kind of raids on a regular bases is getting people to join you.  And by regular, I mean every few hours to once a day.  Once we head into April, I don't know if there will be any more of these types of raids from Rooks at all.
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Re: Make the strats a goal again
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2011, 05:58:38 AM »
yarbles, do you remember back when you were still in our squad the time we got everyone in bombers shut down strats for a whole zone on one of the big maps? (everything very close to 0%)..  that basically kept everything down for the full 2 hours..

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Re: Make the strats a goal again
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2011, 06:05:43 AM »
+1 to this idea.  Strats need to make a difference so that it makes sense to spend the time attacking and defending them. 

Last nights massive B-29 strat raid was enjoyed  by a great many players on all sides.  Anything HTC does make that sort of massive mission a regular occurrence would be a definite plus to this game.

Yep mounting huge raids of this sort is only less fun than combating them and they bring both sides together for a memorable event. Appart from the Battle of Britain some of the most important air battle sof WW2 and most fun for us are of this sort. The US has a brilliant set of Strategic aircraft which time and again are used in tactical warfare.   
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