Train or tease?

[VAMPIRE 2?]

   ok so I love going to the DA and try to learn a few things to improve. even if i'm unsuccessful at staying up longer than two min per sortie, AND get frustrated, I still enjoyed the time spent! but when the top notch guys are "showing you ways to improve" I often wonder what they leave out, knowingly or not. for instance 2 equal planes in the scissors and your telling your "newby"  -me-
"keep your nose up," "pull harder," "be more aggressive," I often wonder "how did I once again get in this predicament?" and "why am I again on the defensive and have to hold my nose up, and not him?" any way, I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way.      -------by the way this refers to 1v1 situations------- 

so I do learn from these scenarios that I suck. but is that it? I just suck? don't get me wrong I still enjoy the 1v1, but it would be nice to graduate from suck to newb killer. 
 or even total suckage up to just a standard suck tard.   any advise?

I was last told to think positively... I  have the book "with winning in mind" but I'm having a hard time applying my knowledge from that book to my royal suckage! where is one of thes?--> 

[Urchin]

Practice makes perfect.

Film your sorties with the guy helping you out - when you die go watch the film and learn what happened. It is hard to learn it while you are doing it, until you get to a certain point.

If you are into reading, a guy named Robert Shaw wrote a book called Fighter Combat: Tactics and Manuevering. I highly recommend it.

[Krupinski]

Don't depend all on the person trying to help you, WATCH THE FILMS!!!
 

[gpwurzel]

If you cant quite grasp what your seeing in the films, post them in the training section and ask one of the trainers to critique them (when they have time). Be patient, practise and have fun - Rome wasn't built in a day (took at least a weekend from what I vaguely understand  )

Wurzel

[Max]

Check out the Help & Training forum. Post a request for some help. Chances are you get a reply from a trainer who will share some knowledge with you.

[GNucks]

Check the option to auto-record sorties in the clipboard. It won't fill your hard drive with useless films because it asks you if you want to save it at the end of the sortie, and the files are rather small anyway. I'd recommend naming sorties that you die in something along the lines of "Death 51D v 47M" or something like that to keep them all close together in the folder.

[The Fugitive]

You can also post the films here for the "masses" to critic. Listen to the guys you respect, and ignore the rest  You'll get a lot of good tips.

[FLS]

You can find some good sticks in the DA. When you are new it's hard to tell who is actually good and who is just better than you. It's also hard to tell what advice is good and what is wrong or misguided. If you are getting advice that you don't understand just ask for an explanation. If the explanation isn't clear then the advice is unlikely to be useful.

[Krupinski]

Gonna throw this out here, Vampire is not new but has a strong desire to learn.

[FLS]

Gonna throw this out here, Vampire is not new but has a strong desire to learn.

I mean you new guys that have only been here a couple of years.   
 

[Ardy123]

Oh yeah, and don't ever get stuck in a flat scissors against me

Vampire, its all about timing and being able to pull back one little bit more than the other guy while keeping your plane from completely stalling yet still being in the 'buffet'. It all really comes down to practice. The difference between the best and the good is less than a fraction of a second in timing, and getting that timing down just takes tons of time and dieing over and over again.

Anytime your on, I'll be happy to DA you, as I know you already know this.

[JunkyII]

Thats where I learned all my moves....

SunsFan gave me some tips on how to merge

Grizz told me about having a less predictable flightpath

Krup has DAed me probably a good 500 times so I learn from all the deaths

Ardy123 lets me smack him around so I can get smacked around by the names above HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA

[AAJagerX]

You can get all the training in the world and not learn a whole lot.  The key to it is repetition and feel.  Keep going out there and getting killed.  Eventually, you'll find that you're not getting killed so often.

The trainers and people that give you tips are only pointing you in the right direction.  The rest is up to you.

[FLS]

Not to pick on anyone but some of the responses illustrate Vampire's point.

Watching films is more useful when you understand that ACM is about turn circles and energy states and that the tools of ACM are speed, G load, and pursuit curves. Analyzing films in those terms will teach you more than simply watching someone fly to your 6 and shoot you down. 

It's true that timing is important but if you don't explain the visual cues of proper timing then that information isn't really useful.

Getting killed repeatedly is obviously not the historically accurate way to learn ACM. Learning the basic concepts so that you can apply them as analytical tools is what allows us to learn from our countless fatal mistakes. In real life, mock dogfights occur after learning to fly your aircraft to the limits and after the basic concepts of ACM are learned. First you train then you fight.

Training is available in the training arena and there is a training event scheduled for March 17 6-10 PM ET.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,308252.0.html

[CAP1]

Don't depend all on the person trying to help you, WATCH THE FILMS!!!
 

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watch the films from your cockpit, from his cockpit, from outside with trails on, watch the average speeds of both/all combatants.........the film viewer is a wonderful learning tool.