Essex Class

[E25280]

not only do we need updated carriers, but i think each faction should have its own type of cvs. instead of the same one.

like bishops get the essex class.

knights get the japanese cvs. (dont know the class name).

and rooks could get ether the british or german.

That would be incredibly unfair to the two countries that did not get the Essex class.  The AAA firepower advantage the Essex class has over the others is massive.

[fullmetalbullet]

That would be incredibly unfair to the two countries that did not get the Essex class.  The AAA firepower advantage the Essex class has over the others is massive.

not only that but japanese carriers wouldnt be as armored as the essex class. they could take huge, HUGE amounts of damage and still stay afloat. case in point the USS hornet i believe at the battle of the coral sea. took huge amounts of damage, and several torpedo's from a US cruiser. still wouldnt sink. they just abandoned her till the japanese gave her the final blow hours later.

PS. if they do update the CV i would love to see the catapults added for launching aircraft off the decks.

[Ack-Ack]

I am looking for one that has lengths and widths at the waterline, lowest points down, where the openings in the sides are with heights, but it all needs to have exact measurements.  TY all for being smart butts and telling me to look at the library they do not have any thing in the detail that I am looking for at my library.

http://www.amazon.com/Essex-Class-Carriers-Warship-Design-Histories/dp/0870210211

Yeah ack ack I have seen that and it isnt actually the final design it is a prototype.

While it was a prelimary design for the Essex class, it's showing the arrangement finally accepted.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/s-file/s511-45c.htm

See if you can contact the Naval Historical Center about this book, "1939-1944 "Spring Styles Book"

Actually, I think this might be the link to the "Spring Styles Book" : http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/albums/s511-cv.htm

This book might help as well, don't know if it has the actual plans but from the excerpts it looks like it may have the details you are looking for.

http://books.google.com/books?id=-UT7MDTeKj8C&pg=PA143&lpg=PA143&dq=Essex+class+aircraft+carrier+design+plans&source=bl&ots=HTgl4LxDUd&sig=hwnRo-z5uc5dIINXZVd4YPZkV5Q&hl=en&ei=yY15TcyyBJKecbvO7LwE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=Essex%20class%20aircraft%20carrier%20design%20plans&f=false

Might find some info here: http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/09.htm


ack-ack

[Tyrannis]

not only that but japanese carriers wouldnt be as armored as the essex class. they could take huge, HUGE amounts of damage and still stay afloat. case in point the USS hornet i believe at the battle of the coral sea. took huge amounts of damage, and several torpedo's from a US cruiser. still wouldnt sink. they just abandoned her till the japanese gave her the final blow hours later.

PS. if they do update the CV i would love to see the catapults added for launching aircraft off the decks.

i think you have your carriers mixed up sir. the hornet wasent involved in coral sea i believe.

it was the yorktown&lexington, in which the yorktown was badly damaged and the lexington was sunk.


the way you discribed the sinking of the carrier tho, it sounds like your discribing the yorktown at the battle of midway. which even tho badly damaged, stayed afloat and was thought to be salvageable until a jap sub snuck through the cruiser protection and put 1 last torpdeo into her which caused her to finally sink.

[curry1]

http://www.amazon.com/Essex-Class-Carriers-Warship-Design-Histories/dp/0870210211

While it was a prelimary design for the Essex class, it's showing the arrangement finally accepted.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/s-file/s511-45c.htm

See if you can contact the Naval Historical Center about this book, "1939-1944 "Spring Styles Book"

Actually, I think this might be the link to the "Spring Styles Book" : http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/albums/s511-cv.htm

This book might help as well, don't know if it has the actual plans but from the excerpts it looks like it may have the details you are looking for.

http://books.google.com/books?id=-UT7MDTeKj8C&pg=PA143&lpg=PA143&dq=Essex+class+aircraft+carrier+design+plans&source=bl&ots=HTgl4LxDUd&sig=hwnRo-z5uc5dIINXZVd4YPZkV5Q&hl=en&ei=yY15TcyyBJKecbvO7LwE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=Essex%20class%20aircraft%20carrier%20design%20plans&f=false

Might find some info here: http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/09.htm


ack-ack

TY very much ack-ack

[fullmetalbullet]

i think you have your carriers mixed up sir. the hornet wasent involved in coral sea i believe.

it was the yorktown&lexington, in which the yorktown was badly damaged and the lexington was sunk.


the way you discribed the sinking of the carrier tho, it sounds like your discribing the yorktown. at the battle of midway. which even tho badly damaged, stayed afloat and was thought to be salvageable until a jap sub snuck through the cruiser protection and put 1 last torpdeo into her which caused her to finally sink.

will it was at the battle of the coral sea, and yeah im correct about the way the ship was sunk. they tried to save her but the captain didnt think it was salvagable and order the cruiser to torpedo her, but that didnt even sink her.

 at the battle of midway the japanese pilots mistook the hornet for a diferent carrier and sunk the hornet. they thought they sunk 2 carriers, but it was infact the hornet. and your right it was the yorktown i believe. but idk i havnt really studied the battle all that well.

[Guppy35]

will it was at the battle of the coral sea, and yeah im correct about the way the ship was sunk. they tried to save her but the captain didnt think it was salvagable and order the cruiser to torpedo her, but that didnt even sink her.

 at the battle of midway the japanese pilots mistook the hornet for a diferent carrier and sunk the hornet. they thought they sunk 2 carriers, but it was infact the hornet. and your right it was the yorktown i believe. but idk i havnt really studied the battle all that well.

LOL so if you don't know, then trying to tell us how it went down seems a bit silly don't ya think?

[fullmetalbullet]

LOL so if you don't know, then trying to tell us how it went down seems a bit silly don't ya think?

i didnt know what ship it was.. i do know what had happened at the battle though. i just havnt studdied them all that much. but right now what we need is for the CVs to be upscaled in size to mach the size of the RL ones. and escort carriers. that and the catapults for launching aircraft.

[Guppy35]

OK just to clarify a few things and neither of you is right.   You've mixed bits and pieces of three different carriers and battles into your debate.

The Hornet was sunk at the Battle of Santa Cruz.  It was abandoned and then US destroyers pumped 9 torpedos and 400 shells into her but she didn't sink.  Later Japanese Destroyers put more torpedos into her and she finally went down.  The Hornet in question was not an Essex class carrier but the same as the first Yorktown and Enterprise.  There were plenty of 'tough' Essex class carriers with the Franklin coming to mind as the toughest.

The first Yorktown was damaged at Coral Sea, repaired and made it in time for Midway where she was sunk.  She was attacked twice during the battle and the Japanese believed they had sunk two different carriers.  Yorktown was also tough and almost made it but a Japanese Sub got inside the destroyer ring and put a torpedo into her and the Destroyer Hamman, sinking the destroyer immediately with the Yorktown going down later.  There was also a second Yorktown that was an Essex class carrier, as there was a second Hornet.

The Lexington was sunk at the Battle of Coral Sea.  She too almost made it, but internal explosions from aviation gasoline forced her abandonment and she was torpedoed by US Destroyers to finish her off.

At no point was there a Cruiser firing torpedos at these carriers to sink them.  And yes there was an Essex class carrier named for the Lexington as well.

[BaldEagl]

After the attack on Pearl Harbor the US had two Lexington class carriers (Lexington and Saratoga) and three Yorktown class carriers (Yorktown, Enterprise and Hornet) in operation in the Pacific.  Lexington was lost in the Battle of the Coral Sea, Yorktown was lost during the Battle of Midway and Hornet was lost during the Battle of the Sante Cruz Islands.  Saratoga and Enterprise survived the war with Enterprise being the most decorated U.S. aircraft carrier of WWII having participated in every Pacific battle.  

These were followed by the U.S. most numerous aircraft carrier class of WWII, the Essex class (22 built).  Each of the previous class carriers that were lost had an Essex class namesake.

While there were far more Essex class carriers, those first five Lexington and Yorktown class carriers literally won the war in the Pacific for the U.S.  The Hornet, just back from the Doolittle raid, lost all 15 of her torpedo bombers (TBD's) and all but one of the pilots (VT-8) during the Battle of Midway but they were able to bring the fighter cap down allowing Enterprise and Yorktown SBD's to wreak devestation on the Japanese.

Not a single Essex class carrier was lost in the war.

  to the brave men who fought and gave their lives in those early battles against the Japanese.

[fullmetalbullet]

After the attack on Pearl Harbor the US had two Lexington class carriers (Lexington and Saratoga) and three Yorktown class carriers (Yorktown, Enterprise and Hornet) in operation in the Pacific.  Lexington was lost in the Battle of the Coral Sea, Yorktown was lost during the Battle of Midway and Hornet was lost during the Battle of the Sante Cruz Islands.  Saratoga and Enterprise survived the war with Enterprise being the most decorated U.S. aircraft carrier of WWII having participated in every Pacific battle.  

These were followed by the U.S. most numerous aircraft carrier class of WWII, the Essex class (22 built).  Each of the previous class carriers that were lost had an Essex class namesake.

While there were far more Essex class carriers, those first five Lexington and Yorktown class carriers literally won the war in the Pacific for the U.S.  The Hornet, just back from the Doolittle raid, lost all 15 of her torpedo bombers (TBD's) and all but one of the pilots (VT-8) during the Battle of Midway but they were able to bring the fighter cap down allowing Enterprise and Yorktown SBD's to wreak devestation on the Japanese.

Not a single Essex class carrier was lost in the war.

  to the brave men who fought and gave their lives in those early battles against the Japanese.

ah thank you for clarifying, i knew i had the ships mixed up. but back to the subject. we do need updated carriers. or atleast re sized. as you could plainly see in the first page. the picture of the Essex class carrier had 2 F6F's(F4F's if I'm wrong) wing tip to wing tip on the stern of the deck. granted they were placed there by deck crews (and we do not have those) but it proves my point that the carriers in the game are smaller then the real carriers.

[MiloMorai]

I am looking for one that has lengths and widths at the waterline, lowest points down, where the openings in the sides are with heights, but it all needs to have exact measurements.  TY all for being smart butts and telling me to look at the library they do not have any thing in the detail that I am looking for at my library.

Why do you need exact dimensions?

No dimensions but all are to scale
http://books.google.com/books?id=Jj9J75vOuc4C&pg=PA53&dq=Essex+class+aircraft+carrier+design+plans&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

These are from the book I mentioned previously.

[RTHolmes]

... the carriers in the game are smaller then the real carriers.

have another look, they are to scale (they just look smaller from the cockpit.) I agree that the lift should be raised though ...


curry why dont you tell us exactly what you want the data for? would be much easier than guessing.

[Imowface]

Would be neat to have escort CV's in the game too, I really like the way the British Avenger class CV's look

[AWwrgwy]

have another look, they are to scale (they just look smaller from the cockpit.) I agree that the lift should be raised though ...


curry why dont you tell us exactly what you want the data for? would be much easier than guessing.

I believe he would like to infer that our carriers are smaller than actual Essex class carriers with "facts".

That seems to be what he is hinting at without actually saying it. I would expect another thread in the near future to reflect this.

Stay tuned.

 

wrongway