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Re: Arena cap is getting out of hand
« Reply #105 on: March 14, 2011, 09:51:50 PM »
Traveler:

What would you call saying this.

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I really doubt it has anything to do with business, or lack there of.

When we have continually stated that we cap  arenas ONLY because of business reasons?

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Re: Arena cap is getting out of hand
« Reply #106 on: March 14, 2011, 10:05:55 PM »
Caps or not,  I love the fact that the owner has a presence in game and on the forums.  Now if Bill Gates would show up on the MS forums...I have some words for that guy.
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Re: Arena cap is getting out of hand
« Reply #107 on: March 14, 2011, 10:09:01 PM »
Traveler:

What would you call saying this.

When we have continually stated that we cap  arenas ONLY because of business reasons?

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An expression of my doubt.   I never called you a liar.

Edit, I'd also say that the quote you used is taken out of context.  post the entire quote.
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Re: Arena cap is getting out of hand
« Reply #108 on: March 14, 2011, 10:12:06 PM »
Muzik: I'll give you the quick version, for any more go do some reading on social dynamics.

When groups are small they can manage them self, a group of 10 people can play together and moderate themselves. If one person is going out side the bounds/rules of the group. The 10 people can deal with the person and either have him change his behavior or remove him from the group.

Has groups get larger and larger people start becoming  anonymous and start viewing the group as only a group and not individual people. As this effect gets larger the social structure of the group brakes down and people become more disruptive with out many social consequences. This is a very common social outcome. When more people joing a group it requires a much greater management and governance. How well does it work to have towns of 5000 people with out laws, police, firemen garbage men and other very formal rules of order and management roles.

This show up in game play in many ways  and creates less enjoyment for the entire group.

As far as the business side it really is VERY simple, we had hit an artificial ceiling and the player count had reached it's maximum in one arena. It had reached a point where more people would degrade the play, and as people came more people left and more people choose not to become subscribers, the number of total players of AH had STOPPED growing.

As soon as we split the arenas, even with all the complaints and whines when we did, we started growing again the same week we split the arena.

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Re: Arena cap is getting out of hand
« Reply #109 on: March 14, 2011, 10:16:08 PM »
An expression of my doubt.   I never called you a liar.

Ahh I understand you doubt I am telling the truth but you are not calling me a liar.  :rolleyes:

I would say lay down that shovel.

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Re: Arena cap is getting out of hand
« Reply #110 on: March 14, 2011, 10:19:33 PM »
As far as the business side it really is VERY simple, we had hit an artificial ceiling and the player count had reached it's maximum in one arena. It had reached a point where more people would degrade the play, and as people came more people left and more people choose not to become subscribers, the number of total players of AH had STOPPED growing.

As soon as we split the arenas, even with all the complaints and whines when we did, we started growing again the same week we split the arena.

That's not exactly proof that was the reason subscriptions increased.  What if you would have switched to whole grain shredded wheat for breakfast cereal and subscriptions started to go up?

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Re: Arena cap is getting out of hand
« Reply #111 on: March 14, 2011, 10:24:03 PM »
That's not exactly proof that was the reason subscriptions increased.  What if you would have switched to whole grain shredded wheat for breakfast cereal and subscriptions started to go up?

The owner tells you why and still......

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Maybe he had already tried the breakfast idea and it wasn't working.



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Re: Arena cap is getting out of hand
« Reply #112 on: March 14, 2011, 10:33:48 PM »
That's not exactly proof that was the reason subscriptions increased.  What if you would have switched to whole grain shredded wheat for breakfast cereal and subscriptions started to go up?
By that same token, though, if the arena caps were as detrimental as many of the complainers would have us believe, then subscriptions would have dropped off instead of expanded, yes?

Seriously, some of you need to learn to admit when you are wrong and move on.  The horse has long since been pounded into dust.
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Re: Arena cap is getting out of hand
« Reply #113 on: March 14, 2011, 11:04:57 PM »
The owner tells you why and still......

 :bhead

Maybe he had already tried the breakfast idea and it wasn't working.

Haha.  It's like a baseball player wearing the same jock over and over because he keeps getting hits with it.  There's no proof the stinky jock is the reason for his hits but how else do you explain the fact that he keeps getting all these hits while he wears his stinky jock?  I mean, it HAS to be the stinky jock right?   :lol

How about another arena split then?  Since arena splits spontaneously generate new players who are teetering on the edge of subscribing, just hoping another arena is added, and then whalllah! A new LW arena, and a player surge, simple as that!.  Lets try it.   :cool:

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Re: Arena cap is getting out of hand
« Reply #114 on: March 14, 2011, 11:12:12 PM »
I think we should add a 4th counrty, the Pawns.  That would rule.  Yup.

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Re: Arena cap is getting out of hand
« Reply #115 on: March 14, 2011, 11:39:41 PM »
I think we should add a 4th counrty, the Pawns.  That would rule.  Yup.

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lol the pawns? they would certently be pawns to the bishops, thats for sure.
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Re: Arena cap is getting out of hand
« Reply #116 on: March 14, 2011, 11:50:54 PM »
Correlation does not always mean causation.
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Re: Arena cap is getting out of hand
« Reply #117 on: March 15, 2011, 12:12:39 AM »
Haha.  It's like a baseball player wearing the same jock over and over because he keeps getting hits with it.  There's no proof the stinky jock is the reason for his hits but how else do you explain the fact that he keeps getting all these hits while he wears his stinky jock?  I mean, it HAS to be the stinky jock right?   :lol

How about another arena split then?  Since arena splits spontaneously generate new players who are teetering on the edge of subscribing, just hoping another arena is added, and then whalllah! A new LW arena, and a player surge, simple as that!.  Lets try it.   :cool:

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Re: Arena cap is getting out of hand
« Reply #118 on: March 15, 2011, 12:26:06 AM »
The two times I have cancelled my account since I started playing AH since AW went away, have been after the arena split.  I guess that is the reason I cancelled my account then?  It must be....although I know differently.

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Re: Arena cap is getting out of hand
« Reply #119 on: March 15, 2011, 12:33:03 AM »
geez I'm starting to think HITECH doesn't like me too much.
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