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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #150 on: March 12, 2011, 05:17:16 AM »
Its important to note that Fukushima Daini power station is nearly 40 years old, in the
United States the design lifespan is 50 years. I do not know what Japan has designed
theirs to but none the less they are rather old designs.

Although the reactor building blew there is not cause to panic quite yet, the building
itself is rather weakly constructed. Housed within the building is the reactor containment
structure, turbine housing and thousands of feet of piping. A large steam pipe explosion
could very easily cause what was in that video. It very likely the reactor core is still intact
although perhaps still damaged from overheating.

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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #151 on: March 12, 2011, 05:18:17 AM »
I've not seen or heard anything saying the containment dome was breached, only the outer building was damaged.

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« Reply #152 on: March 12, 2011, 05:18:44 AM »
at least the wind helps, ...but warhead, if i would be there, close the the reactor living, on tv they just told, the radiation dose
you get is that from 1 year, how dangerous is this if the people stay at home?
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« Reply #153 on: March 12, 2011, 05:19:08 AM »
Iodine will do nothing, your entire body will receive a dose of radiation with or without iodine.  The only thing it accomplishes is making people feel a little safer.
People are being evacuated because that is proper procedure in the event of a radiation release, which was feared to happen, and it did.
I have no angle, just trying to clear up what is actually going on.


LOL! Volatile compounds of radioactive iodine, including methyl iodide, are released into the environment in the cases of serious accidents at nuclear power plants. The thyroid gland soaks up iodine to perform its functions and if clean iodine is not supplied in large doses people risk collecting a radioactive bomb on their throat area.

That is why iodine is collected and administered.
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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #154 on: March 12, 2011, 05:23:45 AM »
Iodine will do nothing, your entire body will receive a dose of radiation with or without iodine.  The only thing it accomplishes is making people feel a little safer.
People are being evacuated because that is proper procedure in the event of a radiation release, which was feared to happen, and it did.
I have no angle, just trying to clear up what is actually going on.


Not true, iodine tablets prevent iodine-131 from building up in the thyroid gland. The gland
has a propensity to concentrate iodine from the bloodstream. When you ingest the tablets
you overload it with a non-radioactive isotope. This limits the concentration of  the more
dangerous Iodine-131, Rip was quicker on the trigger.

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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #155 on: March 12, 2011, 05:27:52 AM »
I've not seen or heard anything saying the containment dome was breached, only the outer building was damaged.

Latest reports are that the US is sending generators as the battery backup was only for 8 hours for the cooling system.Pretty big design flaw if correct. And in the latest reports the Japanese gov is saying that rods were exposed and radiation released. I stand by my opinion that none of the current reactors are safe yet.
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« Reply #156 on: March 12, 2011, 05:31:29 AM »
Latest reports are that the US is sending generators as the battery backup was only for 8 hours for the cooling system.Pretty big design flaw if correct. And in the latest reports the Japanese gov is saying that rods were exposed and radiation released. I stand by my opinion that none of the current reactors are safe yet.

One of the problems in this case was that the reactor was of older design and it was not designed to prevent meltout passively in case of an accident. It needs external power constantly to regulate temperatures within the core. Post Chernobyl all new designs were designed to have passive safety and many reactors were post fitted with safeguards aiming to achieve the same result.
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« Reply #157 on: March 12, 2011, 05:31:34 AM »
Not true, iodine tablets prevent iodine-131 from building up in the thyroid gland. The gland
has a propensity to concentrate iodine from the bloodstream. When you ingest the tablets
you overload it with a non-radioactive isotope. This limits the concentration of  the more
dangerous Iodine-131, Rip was quicker on the trigger.

Strip

So yes, you may protect your thyroid, but it does absolutely nothing for the rest of your body.  Iodine does practically nothing to prevent radiation damage.

at least the wind helps, ...but warhead, if i would be there, close the the reactor living, on tv they just told, the radiation dose
you get is that from 1 year, how dangerous is this if the people stay at home?

If you were to receive one year's dose acutely, there would be no harm to you.
The amount of radiation I receive in one refueling outage (the maximum you will get working at a plant), is about the same I would get from an X-Ray at the dentist's office.

The major concern in an incident like this, would be contamination over a large area.  

As long as procedure is followed in a timely matter and any contaminated individuals are cleaned, there would be little harm, and no long term effects.
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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #158 on: March 12, 2011, 05:32:27 AM »
Latest reports are that the US is sending generators as the battery backup was only for 8 hours for the cooling system.Pretty big design flaw if correct. And in the latest reports the Japanese gov is saying that rods were exposed and radiation released. I stand by my opinion that none of the current reactors are safe yet.

Not one single person on Earth has died of radiation exposure from a Nuclear Power Plant, outside of Chernobyl.  

Also, it was not a design flaw.  The battery backups are a backup to the Diesel Generators.  Which are a backup to the power from the grid.  You have 4 levels of power there.  This happened to be the worst case scenario that just cannot be prevented.
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« Reply #159 on: March 12, 2011, 05:34:14 AM »
Not one single person on Earth has died of radiation exposure from a Nuclear Power Plant, outside of Chernobyl.  

You must be one of the most ignorant persons I have faced lol. Long time build up of radioactive iodine, cesium etc. have caused thousands of radiation induced cancers around europe and yes, people are STILL dying to effects of Chernobyl. Or being born horribly malformed. The berries still have severely elevated radiation levels in our forrests. Wild game meat is not fit for human consumption on regular basis because of radiation build-up. Problem is especially bad on reindeers which eat moss - and moss soaks up cesium.

Fatty fishes in lakes have radiation levels so high that they still carry a health warning.
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« Reply #160 on: March 12, 2011, 05:37:22 AM »
You must be one of the most ignorant persons I have faced lol. Long time build up of radioactive iodine, cesium etc. have caused thousands of radiation induced cancers around europe and yes, people are STILL dying to effects of Chernobyl. Or being born horribly malformed.

No need for an argument here. 
I would say the fact I've worked in nuclear plants since 2003, and have known hundreds if not thousands of people who have worked in nukes for 50+ years, and not one single death from radiation, would give me enough proof to back up my statement.
That and the thousands of studies that confirm it.
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« Reply #161 on: March 12, 2011, 05:38:17 AM »
K stick to topic. My airforce buddy is in Misawa next to this thing. Phones are down


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« Reply #162 on: March 12, 2011, 05:39:05 AM »
I also personally know a few workers who have been to Chernobyl to help with the containment of the failed reactor.  I also know a few who have worked at the still running Chernobyl power plant.  What is your connection to that facility?
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« Reply #163 on: March 12, 2011, 05:44:18 AM »
This is real life. I'm not interested in speculation by talking heads, sensational reporting to create drama or opinions from people who have no idea how efficiently the Japanese government and people have reacted to this. I saw military trucks filled with supplies (they are loaded with food water and medical supplies - ready to go to disaster areas) headed to the area on the highway in less than 30 minutes after the first earthquake.

The prime minister just had a news conference and it is being said this very minute that only the outer building was damaged and the containment pressure vessel and reactor vessel are intact.
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« Reply #164 on: March 12, 2011, 05:45:38 AM »
No need for an argument here. 
I would say the fact I've worked in nuclear plants since 2003, and have known hundreds if not thousands of people who have worked in nukes for 50+ years, and not one single death from radiation, would give me enough proof to back up my statement.
That and the thousands of studies that confirm it.


Ok, you are a certified case :D So you say that having working proof that nobody died in conditions where there were no accidents means everything is ok? LOL!

Japan has had several nuclear plant accidents causing deaths prior to this:

 January 1981: Four radioactive leaks in Tsuruga palnt. 278 exposed to harmful levels of radiation.

 March 1997: Tokaimura uranium treatment plant has a fire that leads to an explosion. 37 exposed to harmful levels of radiation.

 November 1999: Tokaimura has an incident through gross negligence killing two workers. Over 600 people are exposed and  320 000 people from the surrounding area are commanded to stay indoors for the next day.

 August 2004: Non-radioactive leak kills four and injures seven at Mihama plant.

 July 2007: Worlds largest nuclear plant, Kashiwazaki-Kariwa, suffers damage at 6,8 richter quake. Radioactive leak to the sea. Repairs last untill 2010.
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