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bad inner tie rod
« on: March 12, 2011, 08:26:08 AM »
well not really.

 customer lives in pa. took his honda pilot to scott honda for inspection. it failed for 2 motor mounts, and a passengers side inner tie rod.
he brought it to me for the repairs, so he could get it to pass. normally, nothing they said would've struck me, except for the fact that i ran a safety check on this car before he took it(although i did miss the motor mounts, as we don't fail them in nj)

 so i put it in the air, check the mounts.....sure enough they are bad. check the front end again, and it still feels good and tight. so i call the dealer, and talk to the service advisor that wrote him up.
 right off the bad, i explain to him that i'm the guy that works on this car for the owner, then ask why exactly the tie rod failed. he told me it has too much play. i tell him that i just checked it, and it's tight.
 so what does mr service advisor say? we can put it in the air for you and show you.  :bhead  i replay with.....did you not hear me? i already have the car in the air, and am looking right at the tie rod. there is nothing wrong with it.
 now, he starts backpeddling. he says that he can only go by what the tech says.(this is true, although when i ran a shop with mechanics under me, i always checked everyones work, since i was the one that was gonna catch poop).
 so i ask him.....this tie rod is good, and i really don't want to replace it, as there's no way this guy should have to spend that money. what can we do? he says that it's the tech's lisence on the line, so if it failed, it has to be replaced to pass. more   :bhead

 called the customer. took him out in the shop, and showed him why he didn't need that tie rod, then took him to another car that has a bad one, and showed him.  he took it back to them while i waited for the mounts to come in. he made them have another tech look at it.
 know what this other tech said?  well sir, it's not bad yet, but it's going to be bad soon.  :bhead :bhead :bhead  so WTF?? do these guys have automotive esp or something?  the guy go tthe service advisor to agree to pass the car when it came back with the new motor mounts,  but he wouldn't admit that his tech was wrong.


 no wonder dealers make so much money. they prey on people that don't ask questions, and that they think are uninformed..............
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Re: bad inner tie rod
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2011, 08:54:30 AM »
 :lol  "it isn't bad yet, but it's going to be bad soon"....  :rofl

i'm very selective with who touches my car...after more than 35 years working on my own cars, the only reason i look for a mechanic is to do work i don't have the equipment for...if i hear, feel or smell anything out of whack i'll check it myself...then take it to my favorite shop and "get a second opinion"...if the parts need to be replaced, i buy my own and have the shop do the work.

unfortunately, most people wouldn't know a fuel injector from a muffler bearing...and dealer service departments are experts at selling muffler bearings.
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Re: bad inner tie rod
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2011, 09:04:40 AM »
:lol  "it isn't bad yet, but it's going to be bad soon"....  :rofl

i'm very selective with who touches my car...after more than 35 years working on my own cars, the only reason i look for a mechanic is to do work i don't have the equipment for...if i hear, feel or smell anything out of whack i'll check it myself...then take it to my favorite shop and "get a second opinion"...if the parts need to be replaced, i buy my own and have the shop do the work.

unfortunately, most people wouldn't know a fuel injector from a muffler bearing...and dealer service departments are experts at selling muffler bearings.

Is this an inside joke?  It seems as if I should get to know simple automotive stuff a bit better.  Essentially, I'm the guy who is going to get swindled by the dealerships- would you guys explain this to me?

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Re: bad inner tie rod
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2011, 09:17:15 AM »
Is this an inside joke?  It seems as if I should get to know simple automotive stuff a bit better.  Essentially, I'm the guy who is going to get swindled by the dealerships- would you guys explain this to me?

-Penguin
what part? the muffler bearing or the tie rod that's going to be bad "soon"?
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Re: bad inner tie rod
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2011, 09:22:33 AM »
A part like an inner tie rod cannot be visually inspected without partial disassembly as
its covered by a rubber boot. Even once you pull the boot the inspection process is
more of a go/no-go type deal. If it has play it needs replaced, if its tight then your
good to go. After that very few inner tierods have external means of verifying wear.

To say it will go bad soon is a kin to saying a tire will fail because its three years old.

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Re: bad inner tie rod
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2011, 09:23:20 AM »
All three parts-

  • The tie rod,
  • the fuel injector
  • and the muffler bearing

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Re: bad inner tie rod
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2011, 09:28:02 AM »
The only thing worse than the muffler bearing is the power steering reset switch.
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Re: bad inner tie rod
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2011, 09:35:15 AM »
The only thing worse than the muffler bearing is the power steering reset switch.
nah, the steering reset switch is a piece of cake man...ever try replacing the ignition ratio modulator?
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Re: bad inner tie rod
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2011, 09:37:13 AM »
even worse....ever tried evicting those spiders and their families out of the evap hoses?
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Re: bad inner tie rod
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2011, 09:38:21 AM »
nah, the steering reset switch is a piece of cake man...ever try replacing the ignition ratio modulator?

I let the dealer take care of that one.  :rofl
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Re: bad inner tie rod
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2011, 09:52:15 AM »
even worse....ever tried evicting those spiders and their families out of the evap hoses?
ya, black flag wasp/hornet killer and 100lbs of air pressure works wonders...try getting the things out of the fallopian tubes.
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Re: bad inner tie rod
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2011, 10:02:50 AM »
I always have a hard time keeping my blinker fluid filled properly.  I never let dealerships work on my cars after my GMC 1500 i bought when I lived in NC.  The day after I drove it off the lot I noticed that it was grinding and skipping when it went from 1st to 2nd gear (automatic and purchased used).  The dealership looked at it, said there was some water in the transmission and they took care of it. The day after the 30 day warranty expired I get a call from the dealership saying my transmission was bad, but they could get me a refurb one for about $2500.  I gave them a few choice words and took it to my mechanic.  The trans. was bad but he got a refurb for just over $1000.
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Re: bad inner tie rod
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2011, 10:04:50 AM »
A part like an inner tie rod cannot be visually inspected without partial disassembly as
its covered by a rubber boot. Even once you pull the boot the inspection process is
more of a go/no-go type deal. If it has play it needs replaced, if its tight then your
good to go. After that very few inner tierods have external means of verifying wear.

To say it will go bad soon is a kin to saying a tire will fail because its three years old.

Strip

don't even have to do that.

 lift the tire off the ground. grab the tire at the 3 oclock, and 9 oclock positions. wiggle. you'll feel any play. play=no go. no play=good.
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Re: bad inner tie rod
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2011, 10:07:11 AM »
Park that new car, it wearing out.


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Re: bad inner tie rod
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2011, 11:51:31 AM »
ya, black flag wasp/hornet killer and 100lbs of air pressure works wonders...try getting the things out of the fallopian tubes.

 :rofl

100 psi will destroy the rest of the evap system though.....
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