Thanks for vulching me on the rearm pad.

[daddog]

Listed under 7. Penalties

- Pilots are expected to do their "fighting" from the AC or GV's that they have been assigned to by their CiC. Once you have been shot down, you should be heading to your tower. Shooting of Enemy AC with your .45 while they are on the ground is not allowed. You may be suspended for doing so.

This rule is somewhat ambiguous. If someone hangs in their chute for a couple minutes watching the action or giving a report I don’t have a problem with it. If they start drawing ack while behind a hill or shooting with their .45 on the ground then it is a problem.

[PJ_Godzilla]

I cant even remember when it came up. Sometime way back and may have been a no vulch frame or something
that we thought was policy. I really am fine with it and am glad it happened since my one death will yeild us many additional kills in the future. It is more real world that way anyway. i also agree that the pilot using .45 should
be illegal since it isn't likely.

Wow. The very first FSO event in which I flew ended in a gang-vulch. JV44 Wurger was assigned to allies that scenario and so we were flying Seafires. We flew around for about an hour and started getting low on fuel. We were directed to split - some to land, some to cover. I was pretty green and was coming in on a rather shaky approach when the cover started warning of swarms of 190a-5s dropping. I circled and tried to climb to meet the Hun.

Long story short, first FSO, first death... My CO apologized to all of us for getting us vulched like that. Hell, it wasn't really his fault. Besdies and as I pointed out to him, I didn't get vulched, really, I got shot down after aborting my approach.

[PJ_Godzilla]

Sorry, had a weird server issue. I've been double-tapping all pm.

[zenzen]

In the FSO I'm going with Vulch, dead pilots can't fly planes.  In the MA I'll vulch someone taking off, I won't vulch someone landing, don't see the point.  If your chut or crippled bird stays to long chute dies.  No tactical advantage and safe from my guns.

[killrDan]

Listed under 7. Penalties This rule is somewhat ambiguous. If someone hangs in their chute for a couple minutes watching the action or giving a report I don’t have a problem with it. If they start drawing ack while behind a hill or shooting with their .45 on the ground then it is a problem.

With all due respect sir, I don't recall any ambiguity when the rule was first published.  It was made crystal clear that when (if) you got shot down, you go to the tower.

So is this allowed? Or is it not allowed according to current rules and playing standards?  It's a fair and simple question that deserves a fair and simple answer.

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[daddog]

- Pilots are expected to do their "fighting" from the AC or GV's that they have been assigned to by their CiC. Once you have been shot down, you should be heading to your tower. Shooting of Enemy AC with your .45 while they are on the ground is not allowed. You may be suspended for doing so.

Is what allowed? Floating in your chute?
If you don't think that is ambiguous, fine. I think it has some 'grey' area and am comfortable with that. I am certainly not going to be watching films with a stop watch to see how long someone is in their chute.

If someone floats down in their chute for a couple minutes I am fine with that. If they spend 10 minutes in it and then run around on the ground it's a problem.

[killrDan]

Thats not at all what we're talking about Daddog.  To be more specific, is staying in your chute on the ground for 10-15 minutes and spotting the re-arm pad for your vulching squadmates an acceptable practice in FSO?

[ImADot]

Thats not at all what we're talking about Daddog.  To be more specific, is staying in your chute on the ground for 10-15 minutes and spotting the re-arm pad for your vulching squadmates an acceptable practice in FSO?

Not speaking for the CM staff, but rather speaking for myself...as long as you are not drawing ack fire or shooting the enemy yourself, I see nothing wrong with providing intel for your guys.  I personally think you'd do more good as a gunner in someone's bomber (or another pair of eyes in their fighter), since the guys you're spotting for can see enemy planes just fine without you.

[daddog]

Well, the rule IMHO does not address that specifically Dan. I really don't want to draw a clear line. More often than not it creates more work for the CM's.

Once you have been shot down, you should be heading to your tower.

Says should. When this first came up and the rule was added I remember thinking I really wanted to avoid CM's have to view films of guys running around on the ground counting the seconds and deciding on some kind of penalty. I know for some they just grind their teeth with vague generalities for a rule, but I hope you see what I am trying to avoid and the nonsense it would cause if I implemented some kind of 5 second rule for time on the ground.

[killrDan]

I feel your pain Daddog...I really do.  Please understand that I'm not asking that you declare a hard time limit of say, x seconds before one must return to the tower.  My interpretation of the rule is (and has always been) that we 'should' tower after being shot down.  As stated in a previous post, the rule does not use the term 'shall', but a lot of other hard and fast rules don't either.  The purpose of this rule (by my understanding) was to address gamish behavior and practices in FSO. Speaking for myself, and probably quite a few others, the primary reason I fly FSO is to get a break from the gamish behavior and lack of discipline we all see in the MA's.  FSO has always held the player to a higher standard.

Now that said, how realistic is it to see two chutes just outside of base ack range spottting the rearm pad to let their squaddies come in to vulch?  On top of that, numerous people tried shooting the chutes with 20mm cannon rounds but apparently there is a bug in that terrain that prevented it.   Did those pilots shot down over Europe and in the PTO have hand held radios doing this?  Not hardly.

The rule clearly says you should return to the tower.  These two obviously didn't.

Sorry for the rant Daddog.  I just want to fight guys I can have some respect for in FSO.

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Dan

[perdue3]

Lot of WAAAA in this thread.

[killrDan]

Sorry for the last post, I see Daddog answered my question.  My bad.  I must have missed it on the first read.

The fishing hasn't been good lately.

[ghostdancer]

Terrains don't affect game mechanics in regards to chutes or planes.

What terrains can affect are any objects built into terrains such as AA (we have had instances of AA rounds not matching up with gun sights, or rounds firing through a building but not destroying it, etc.).

Neither flying planes or people in chutes are part of a terrain file nor is there code. So it wouldn't be a terrain bug. Please provide film of 20mm rounds from planes being fired at the shoots so it can be diagnosed.

[daddog]

No worries Dan.