f4u brutal stall?

[Getback]

Puppetz, you're not listening to me. (I'm insulted hehe). Let's go to the TA and I will prove what I say. Name a time.

[33Vortex]

I'm no expert on the F4U but if you want to learn it thoroughly I believe it should help to watch and learn the training film at http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/F4U.html . I know I would. Look at the stall demonstration starting about 13 minutes into the film. Interesting footage regardless.

Good luck!

[shiv]

Sounds like a snap-stall/snap-roll to me. You can do one on purpose to see if it's the same thing: at 250 go into a left-hand turn. Then move the stick all the way left, then quickly pull down on it. Should send the plane into a violent stall. Add a little opposite rudder and ease off throttle to get out of it.

I don't advocate using it much in combat by the way. Only time it's worked for me was by accident.

[PuppetZ]

Did you reset the elevator axis to 1 or slightly less than 1 going up to 1?

I don't get what your talking about. How should I do this?

Another thing is, as some one else I think was pointing out, you have to match throttle to air speed. Tough to learn. So if you are stuttering, cut throttle and add flaps.

Won't cutting throttle make me loose speed even faster. Isn't the propeller used to 'pull' the plane trough the turn?

Sorry if I overlooked your post. Next round is on me 
I could be on tonight around 8 eastern if you still want to show me and are not too offended 


to myself : boy I'm gonna get my bellybutton kicked again...sigh

[PuppetZ]

Sounds like a snap-stall to me.

Given what's already been said that's a fair guess. I agree with your assessment of the situation.

I don't advocate using it much in combat by the way. Only time it's worked for me was by accident.

Did it? Well given how fast it rolled and fell, no one gonna be able to follow this one  

I'll call it my special 'technique'  

Fast way to cause an over shoot

hard part is to put your gun on the bad guy...

[FLS]

Puppet I think Getback is suggesting you scale your stick's pitch axis. It's in the advanced controller setup on the clipboard.

[PuppetZ]

Puppet I think Getback is suggesting you scale your stick's pitch axis. It's in the advanced controller setup on the clipboard.

So I need to scale so max input do not give max control surface deflection?

[FLS]

You don't want to lose max deflection. Try the default scaling to start. There is a visual aid that shows you the effect. I suggest default scaling for pitch and rudder. You don't need to scale roll.

[shiv]

hard part is to put your gun on the bad guy...

Exactly. I'd recommend the barrel roll defense instead: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,276908.msg3476738.html#msg3476738

[TequilaChaser]

I always ride with auto takeoff off so I had no flaps out. Besides I ride with combat trim on and when flaps are out, it make the nose want to go up big time so it's not it.

G'afternoon Puppetz,
have you noticed how others have been able to offer more advice since your reply above ( reply shortened to save space )

this time you offered a lot more info / description to what you originally experienced and it gave us all more insight to what really happened.....

as for the bolded outlined part of the shortened quote above........

I recommend reading up on trim in Aces High and how it works

Auto-Trim in Aces High  by Lephturn

http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/trim/trim.htm

If you would like to get together in the Training Arena with me and work on fine tuning your skills in the F4U, then just shoot me a PM, I be glad to work with you

I for one do not encourage using Combat Trim in the F4U, especially when slow under 200 IAS....... at these speeds the Combat Trim will be an impeding henderance when you want to lower your flaps......

with that said Combat Trim is a personal preference..... but using it it only trims the plane for the given speed as if you were in level flight.. combat Trim does not take into account the extra Lift the flaps will be providing.....

hope this helps

TC

( PM  me if you want to set up a Training Session )

[Getback]

I don't get what your talking about. How should I do this?

Won't cutting throttle make me loose speed even faster. Isn't the propeller used to 'pull' the plane trough the turn?

Sorry if I overlooked your post. Next round is on me 
I could be on tonight around 8 eastern if you still want to show me and are not too offended 


to myself : boy I'm gonna get my bellybutton kicked again...sigh

LOL, okay, 8 pm. Bring your ears and listen. Oh you can ask questions hehe.

[PuppetZ]

,
this time you offered a lot more info / description to what you originally experienced and it gave us all more insight to what really happened.....

Noted. I'll try to be more specific with my future posts. When I originaly posted I was on a hurry because I just quit TA and was going to log on MA ASAP so I did not loose too much play time to wife ack ATM it did not happen to me I was way too vague with my description of the event.

I would be honored if you were willing to show me some tricks. I'll PM you so we can work something out. I'm usually available 7-11pm eastern.

I for one do not encourage using Combat Trim in the F4U

Interesting read about CT and AP. I'll look for the way to turn CT off altogether since AP can be used to manage trim and I already make extensive use of that feature. If one take care it can be more efficient that way.

LOL, okay, 8 pm. Bring your ears and listen. Oh you can ask questions hehe.

Ok, I'll be there. Should I bring a six-pack for after?
Do drinking and flying mix? I wonder.....

[JOACH1M]

Fly a manly plane! Fly a 109!

[Getback]

Fly a manly plane! Fly a 109!

I own 109s. 

[colmbo]

Won't cutting throttle make me loose speed even faster. Isn't the propeller used to 'pull' the plane trough the turn?

Yes.  Near stall the last thing I would do is reduce power.  You need all the thrust you can get.  However once the airplane does stall you should reduce power to aid in a quick return to controlled flight.