Flap spins are a thing of the past....

[W7LPNRICK]

Hope you enjoy this. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sB2ZA59KTM&feature=player_embedded#at=235

[MarineUS]

less and less skill needed the more electronic we get.

[fullmetalbullet]

less and less skill needed the more electronic we get.

its sad yes. but you gotta admit, Lockheed made a BEAUTIFUL aircraft.

[Killer91]

less and less skill needed the more electronic we get.

It's also a heck of a lot safer for the pilot.

[redman555]

*cry* Thats my baby....I wanted to go to the USAF and fly her

-BigBOBCH

[Melvin]

less and less skill needed the more electronic we get.

Really?

You honestly mean to say that pilots these days aren't as skilled as pilots in, say, WWII?

Wow.

[Plazus]

Flying a jet requires a different set of skills than flying a propeller driven aircraft of the 1940s. Comparing a modern day jet fighter pilot to that of a 1940s fighter pilot would almost be like apples and oranges.

[Melvin]

Well, I'm guessing that the guy flying that F-22 could give many famous aces a run for there money in any plane.

BFM and ACM hasn't changed in many years.(Only difference is that we now have BVR capabilities.) They still teach it today.

[MaSonZ]

MY only b1tch about technology, especially in the Aviation world, is what do we do when the technology fails? Say the on-board computer in the Raptor failed during his flat spin, God forbid, and he couldn't recover in time because of lack of knowledge and / or training due to dependency on those computers? As great as technology is...We still need to know how to do things the old way with our hands and brain. Bottom line.

[Rob52240]

MY only b1tch about technology, especially in the Aviation world, is what do we do when the technology fails? Say the on-board computer in the Raptor failed during his flat spin, God forbid, and he couldn't recover in time because of lack of knowledge and / or training due to dependency on those computers? As great as technology is...We still need to know how to do things the old way with our hands and brain. Bottom line.

Redundant systems, that's how.

[curry1]

MY only b1tch about technology, especially in the Aviation world, is what do we do when the technology fails? Say the on-board computer in the Raptor failed during his flat spin, God forbid, and he couldn't recover in time because of lack of knowledge and / or training due to dependency on those computers? As great as technology is...We still need to know how to do things the old way with our hands and brain. Bottom line.

If every computer failed on the F-22 even the redundant systems it would be un-flyable becuase as far as I know it needs its fly-by-wire. Such a failure probably means that either god is having a bad day and decided to make every backup system fail or you just got hit by a missile.

[Melvin]

Hey, it takes skill to ride one of these too.   

[MaSonZ]

Hey, it takes skill to ride one of these too.  

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If every computer failed on the F-22 even the redundant systems it would be un-flyable becuase as far as I know it needs its fly-by-wire. Such a failure probably means that either god is having a bad day and decided to make every backup system fail or you just got hit by a missile.

I'm not sayin every computer... I'm saying whatever computer negates the flat spin, unless of course that same set of computers helps the pilot with stick and rudder input...

NOTE: as far as in-flight computer systems go, i know nothign about them.

[Yenny]

They probably had training and practiced to do thing w/o computer aid, just like most military stuff.

[MaSonZ]

I'm sure they did Yenny...and I'm sure they contiously drill in that stuff God forbid it should ever happen, but theres a difference between drilling in a controlled environment and doing it in combat.