How do I say this?

[Kieren]

It is not my wish to cause discord.

I am not posting a "goodbye".

But something is making it difficult to fly anymore, something that is difficult, if possible at all, to fix.

It's us.

We seem to have so many people now with such huge egos that they cannot allow themselves to be shot down without derogatory statements made to the "offending party". Read the open buffer. "somebody just got me this way and that is lame", "that guy got me, and I flew a half hour to get there and that's not fair!", "I had a great streak going and got shot by someone I didn't see!"...

In this game people live and die (virtually). Sometimes it's fun no matter which way it is, but more often lately it is just the same process-

"server:kill of XXX awarded to YYY"
"XXX: that was a lame-a** move, YYY!"

It didn't used to be this way. It doesn't have to be this way. Yet, every day my faith that it will get better dims further. Playing the game is no longer play for me, it is a test to see if I can hold my tongue against the personalities. This is a battle I feel I am losing.  

The pity is I love the software, I love the direction of development, and HTC has shown nothing but class after this latest release (which was largely met with grumbles and discord). I have to wonder what keeps them going sometimes...

It may be I am not cut out for online gaming, because if this is what I am to expect, then I really am not interested. I can remember when a good fight was met with a S! and swapping versions of the fight over the buffer in a friendly fashion. I can't remember the last time I had that type of exchange with anyone (other than a H2H duel with By-Tor, hearty S! to you!).

Maybe this is only my perception of the state of our community- I sure hope so. Maybe this feeling will pass. Right now I am one disillusioned member of the community...  

[bike killa]

i think i know what are you talking about and feel the same sometimes. i hope things 'll get better, but everyone who feels the same must working on it
keep the faith  
<S>

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bikekil
308 (Polish) Squadron RAF "City of Cracow"

....come and get it

[buhdman]

Kieren,

We don't all behave that way.  At least I like to think I am a "good sport" more often than not.  In fact, I was flying a 109F4 for the first time the other night and had gotten myself into trouble and was running from a Spit, when out of the sun (almost literally) came another Spit.  This second Spit zoomed up behind me and in desperation I made a feeble attempt at a scissors which almost worked.  Very soon after, I found myself watching pieces of my airplane tumbling through the sky.  "Nice kill!"  I said on channel 100.  The victor replied something to the effect of "nice scissors maneuver".  And the conversation went on.  To make a long story short, I had a nice chat with the other pilot and got some good pointers on flying the 109F4.  Something I'll remember for a long time and one of the things I enjoy most about this game and some of the people who play it.

Come to think of it, I think the other pilot's handle was "Kieren", but I could be mistaken.  If my memory is right, thanks for the conversation and the pointers.  If not, thanks, anyway, for caring enough to make this post.  Someone had to say it and I think you said it very well!

Cya up ther behind me!

buhdman, out



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Walt (buhdman) Barrow
(formerly lt-buhd-lite)
The Buccaneers - "Return with Honor"
home.earthlink.net/~wjbarrow

[By-Tor]

 

Originally posted by Kieren:



We seem to have so many people now with such huge egos that they cannot allow themselves to be shot down without derogatory...  

Many of us find it hard to accept that ANY time we get shot down,WE are at fault!.Regardless of E-states,plane types,if you die-you screwed up.That becomes easier to swallow as you come to realize that the competition in AH is VERY stiff!Let em whine.
 Perhaps you could use a break from the arena and concentrate on 1 vs 1 for a spell?
I know first-hand you are 1 of the finest pilots out there and anyone takin offense to being bested by you (or anyone else)needs to chill and enjoy the sim for what it is.ICQ me anytime,my ego can handle the sharp learning curve!
 
Cheers,
By-Tor


[This message has been edited by By-Tor (edited 06-24-2000).]

[Kats]

BTW Kieren, thx for the help when I was on-line the other night -I appreciate it.

TBH, It cracks me up when someone loses it on me because I just shot them down - of course I don't take it personally, I just know it sux to die  

[hblair]

I know where you're coming from kieren. Unfortunately this game has a lot of loosers playing it. No offense HTC, facts are facts. There are some guys who are decent sticks in the MA who are total d*ckheads whenever they die. They blow up on the open channel one minute, apologize the next, then blow up again. I'm sick and damn tired of hearing their BS myself  . Yeah, I know, .squelch
'em, that gets old.

We all know who they are. They know who they are.  

[jcy19]

i understand where you are coming from. as i too often get the same crap at times. i just do my best to tell someone nice kill if thry get me, and ignore the ones that whine when i kill them. i get killed alot as im just barely average and its rare i squeak about it. i wish more people where like that.

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jcy19  | ||AirWolves| |

[dosequis]

I always try and say nice fight to everyone, if it was a nice fight. And if I fly the Cannon Hawg and pull a HO, so far nobody has begrudged me it.

     

[Pongo]

Keiren
If it is going to wreck the game for guys of the quality of you I will certainly think again before I tell torque that I wished his head would explode...
I dont get much of that myself. I am probably not a good enough stick to supprise or upset anyone. Just a meat and potatoas kind of pilot.
But thanks for the wake up call.
I for one would really miss ya.

[Karnak]

I die alot, but I have never even been tempted to blow up in the game.  Sometimes I'll give a S!, or say Nice kill, or maybe just get another kite.  The way I see it is that the goal of the game is to shoot down opposing players.  No matter how good you are (and I'm not very good), somebody will get you some time.  Just shrug it off and get a new ride.  There aren't any grand prizes for being in first place on the score board here.

S! to all of those who've shot me down 'cause not one of you was condesending or mean about it.  Thanks.

Sisu
-Karnak

[Nash]

Nah.. Kieren... Yer one of the good guys. Yer staying put. Er... I don't exactly have the authority to make such an order, but... if I find out you are serious enough about this, I will definately write an email to Caveman and make a request that he order it so  

Uhm... what were we.. oh yah.. Forget about the whiners. I think you need to put this into perspective a bit... Here's a couple of ways I look at it.

1) If someobody squeakes that ya kilt him... well..he IS the enemy, right? Ya shot him down. He's upset? Good. This doesn't go for most of the people I run into... I usually have a great deal of respect for the guys I tangle with.... but... If some guy resorts to bein' some kinda popsicle about it on #1... Take solace in the fact that ya planted his arse, have a good chuckle about his angst, and move on.

2) This is important...

Some knuckle-headed LOSERS onna 2 week stint start bawlin' on open channel about (really) the fact that their own hamfisted pathetic dweebishness landed them a one way ticket to tower...

while...

You have a great appreciation of the art of ACM, the history of air war, a love of the simulations that allow us to experience these things... and are a RESPECTED member as well as an outstanding CONTRIBUTER to this community....

And it's YOU who's leaving?

Nah... just aint right. Sorry but I refuse to accept that.

Yer stayin' put. Or else I'm telling Cave  

[danish]

I hear you Kieren.
I use the .squelch 1 as standart setup when entering the arena.Saves you for 90% of the bs + the buffer really scrolls too fast for my old brain allready ;=)
Backside is of course that you miss all the fun on ch 1.

danish

[easymo]

 Aside from giveing 6 calls I stopped talking for the most part. sadly it was worth it.

[kbman]

Hi folks,
         Just this morning, before writing this, I was verbally assaulted on open channel and taunted repeatedly by a certain pilot with a reputation as a hot stick. After I told him I dont talk trash several times he continued the abuse. I told him on pvt. channel after a while fighting him(flying)that I tended to value my reputation as a human being over that of being a great pilot. I am sure that you feel the same,kierin, having observed your behavior in the arena and I believe most others do as well. It is shame that this type of behavior can be so damaging to one's enjoyment of this game we all love but alas, sometimes it is so. It's up to all of us to uphold those standards which we respect and value for ourselves first and by example second. That's about all you can do sometimes and I have certainly been known to fall short of my own expectation on occasion. I hope you find the game compelling enough to continue being yourself and enjoying that. Cya up!!

kbman

[Naso]

Kieren, i have two thinks to say:

1. War is war!
In RL is rare to find people loosing without whining and accusing you to be someway a cheater and giving you a <S>, even if you was correct, so why you are so surprised to find people acting the same in MA?
I know i'm not a good pilot, and if someone kill me while ditching, or engine off, or in other not sporty way, i dont care, cause war is war, and is a dirty affair, no rules, you have to kill or to be killed, and i'll do the same next time (except kill chutes  ).
You may say this is no war, is a sim, yes, but is a WARsim, so we have to simulate the unfair too, someone whine about this? they have to play chess  .
So, if someone is upset the way you killed him, just say "war is war, baby  ". period.

2. Mind state.
Sometime the way you are feeling in a precise moment, give you different meanings to words you hear.
Yesterday night, i was vulching 18 in a b26, a jug take off, i set a nice attack, shoot him with my 6 0.50, lot of flashes, nothing... 2 mins later, another or the same jug attack my six, i shooted him, he was between the smoke (my fps was 2-3), again lot of flashes on him, a short burst from his fiftyes, and i was in twr.
I was surprised, and say in pub ch : "p47 is invulnerable!!".
He answer: "you dont hit me".
I say: "strange, i see a lot of flashes on you, mmmm".
I was just wondering if was rubber bullet prob, or a fh prob, or who know...
But if the guy was upset, he can misunderstand my words as accuse of cheating, or not saying truth.
Sometime you have to stop, and think if there are other meanings to words the other say, may be they want just know what mistake they did.
And if there are no other options, if is just a looser whinig, let him cry, and follow your path, you are a great pilot, and you know it.
Who cares about dweebs crying?

<S>

Naso
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