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Offline MachFly

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Re: p51 D vs la7
« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2011, 08:01:41 PM »
What has a tighter turn rate at the deck, 5K, and 10K with flaps and without La-7 or P-51D?
 
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Re: p51 D vs la7
« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2011, 06:34:54 AM »
La-7 turns much tighter all the way up to 20k. No chance for the pony. The p51 only excels at scenario altitudes.
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Re: p51 D vs la7
« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2011, 09:37:28 AM »
LA7 vs P51....equal pilots the LA will win every time :aok
only if the p-51 is willing to fight to the la-7s strengths...but then equal pilots would know better than to fight on the other's terms.
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Re: p51 D vs la7
« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2011, 04:18:56 PM »
The LA-7 is my favorite ride, and a rate myself better than average in one.  I never, never have 2nd thoughts about mixing it with a pony, and usually it's a pretty short fight. Even 2 on 1, the LA can prevail, or at least survive. That doesn't mean I win all, or most of the time, just I wouldn't avoid that fight.

LA gets a bad rap for short range, but if you get it up to cruise and then reduce rpm's you can cruise faster than most fighters going full throttle, and greatly reduce your fuel consumption.

There are a couple of things you never want to do in an LA.
1. Turn fight with over 1/2 gas.. a heavy LA is a pig.
2.  Get suckered into going too fast (unless your are running for your life). Over 500 and the stick is sitting in a bucket of cement. Get too fast on a pony's 6 and he can be on yours before you have maneuvering speed back.

Besides the advantages the pony has on the LA at altitude, it also, in my experience will out accellerate an LA diving away at any altitude.. sure the LA can catch up eventually, but it gives you time to consider plan B.
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Re: p51 D vs la7
« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2011, 11:29:33 PM »
La-7 turns much tighter all the way up to 20k. No chance for the pony. The p51 only excels at scenario altitudes.
not true. you've seen me on the deck killing and evading enemy in my 51B debrody. alot of them being lalas. fly the 51 right and it'll out do the lala, fly the lala right it'll out do the 51. simple
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Re: p51 D vs la7
« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2011, 01:35:41 AM »
I almost never lose to LA7s in my 51. In fact I cant remember the last time someone got a legit 1v1 kill against me in the LA. Having said that, I do fly the LA quite a bit in base defense, and it is also a great plane. The 51 is best in the initial merge because of its flaps. If the fight drags on, the LA can gain the advantage. If the fight starts at about 5k or so, the 51 will have the advantage in a downward spiraling dogfight. If the fight starts on the deck, the mustang is going to have to act fast because once the fight gets slow, that LA can use its power to weight to go vertical where the 51 has trouble when its slow. Its pretty much the same thing 109s and Nikis can do vs the mustang in a slow dogfight. Fortunately, 99% of the pilots in the MA dont know any better, and they are so astonished a mustang merged with them in the first place, they usually get caught with their pants down and never recover. Equal pilots...I give the advantage to the LA, but only very slightly. It would be a good fight.

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Re: p51 D vs la7
« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2011, 01:43:15 AM »
not true. you've seen me on the deck killing and evading enemy in my 51B debrody. alot of them being lalas. fly the 51 right and it'll out do the lala, fly the lala right it'll out do the 51. simple
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Re: p51 D vs la7
« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2011, 05:08:47 AM »
Hmm  :headscratch:
Fight on the deck money's on LA7
Fight at 5k plus money's on P51
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Re: p51 D vs la7
« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2011, 01:58:31 PM »
I've had some pretty awesome fights against LAs on the deck and up high. I usually will risk slow turnfights on the deck with them, sometimes I win, sometimes I know. Since I turned combat trim off for T/B, it seems to help. I would say out of 10 fights against LA, I've won 6. It just really depends on the pilot too. I can't remember who it was but got into a 5-7 minute fight with one on the deck, in the end though we both called it quits due to fuel. I really wish I recorded it.
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Re: p51 D vs la7
« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2011, 02:05:28 PM »
La-7 out runs (and chases down) the P-51. La-7 out turns it every day of the week (one of the better turning planes in the game even, while P-51 is one of the worst). La-7's massive horsepower allows better acceleration, better climb rate, better vertical manuvers.

So unless the P-51 wants to run at alts over 15k, the La-7 holds all the advantages.

Just because you kill some LAs in the MAs doesn't really mean the P-51 is better. It means those La pilots weren't. Or they were busy and you picked them. Or any number of things that may or may not be related to actual plane performance.

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Re: p51 D vs la7
« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2011, 02:15:51 PM »
I'll go with the La-7 at typical AH combat altitudes.  I found La-7s were usually a very hard fight whereas the P-51D was an easy kill.  This is from a Mosquito flier's perspective.
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Re: p51 D vs la7
« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2011, 02:26:02 PM »
I'd take the La-7.   

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Re: p51 D vs la7
« Reply #42 on: March 28, 2011, 02:29:30 PM »
Lame twittiness vs Lower alt lame twittiness
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Re: p51 D vs la7
« Reply #43 on: March 28, 2011, 03:11:39 PM »
Lame twittiness vs Lower alt lame twittiness

It takes a lot of skill to fly the 51 well in an actual fight. It is severely outclassed by the K4 in a typical MA (low alt) dogfight. So how is it a twit ride? I have seen plenty of 109s and 190s that wont come down, and wont fight. There are no twit rides, just twit pilots.

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Re: p51 D vs la7
« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2011, 03:27:20 PM »
With all of the above said...... the best way to learn a plane is to fly it. If you need help, there are several trainers and many other folks that will be glad to assist.

Nothing will make you a genie in any plane without stick time. All the info in the world is no good till you practice and it becomes second nature.

I do commend you on your quest for knowledge on the planes in this game.
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