Spit 8 vs Ki

[FLS]

MachFly you have everything all mixed up. 

[MachFly]

MachFly you have everything all mixed up. 

Then please explain.

[FLS]

Then please explain.

You keep changing Spit models. We were talking about the 1,5,and 14. You said the Ki wasn't competitive.

What kind of low speed do you have in mind? A smart Spitfire pilot will just not get to slow and will not have any problems.

Could you explain what made you come to the conclusion that Ki-84 is extremely competitive against Spitfires I, V, and XIV? Their performance envelope is not only different, but it's in a totally different spot.

I never said Ki-84 was better than Spit1 & 5, I said that you can't really compare 1 & 5 because they have different qualities (I just used different terminology).

I never said that you said the Ki was better. You said the opposite of that. My point was that the Ki had a better climb and top speed than the 1 and 5. Then you tell me it doesn't out climb the 8. OK fine. I never said it did. You quoted me and then mentioned the Spit8 which I hadn't commented on.
 
Clear now?   

[MachFly]

You keep changing Spit models. We were talking about the 1,5,and 14. You said the Ki wasn't competitive.


I never said that you said the Ki was better. You said the opposite of that. My point was that the Ki had a better climb and top speed than the 1 and 5. Then you tell me it doesn't out climb the 8. OK fine. I never said it did. You quoted me and then mentioned the Spit8 which I hadn't commented on.
 
Clear now?  

Ah, I thought you meant I had my info mixed up.

You quoted my post about a spit8 and commented about spit1, 5, 9, 8, & 14. So I'm confused myself.  

Top speed is the only thing Ki-84 has better than Spitfire mk XVIII at low altitude.

You said the Ki was comparable to the 8,9, and 14. You said the 1 and 5 out turn it. The Ki out climbs and is faster than the 1 and 5 so it's hardly outclassed by them, it just has different qualities.

I used 1 & 5 models to make an example, I never wanted to start a Spit 1 vs Ki-84 discussion. Lets just get back to Spit8 vs Ki-84.

[PFactorDave]

The Ki out climbs and is faster than the 1 and 5 so it's hardly outclassed by them, it just has different qualities.

The guns!  Don't forget to factor in the guns too!

[pembquist]

Wow 8 pages.  I'm the original poster so let me know if I have this about right, Spit 8 vs Ki84, im flying the spit, as a loose strategy I should:  Keep speed up above 240, if possible get the KI to overspeed in a dive (+ 350), don't count on acceleration, climb rate, or level top speed to help, become a better pilot, shoot first.  Is this right? remember I am talking about less than or equal skill level on my part.

[PFactorDave]

Wow 8 pages.  I'm the original poster so let me know if I have this about right, Spit 8 vs Ki84, im flying the spit, as a loose strategy I should:  Keep speed up above 240, if possible get the KI to overspeed in a dive (+ 350), don't count on acceleration, climb rate, or level top speed to help, become a better pilot, shoot first.  Is this right? remember I am talking about less than or equal skill level on my part.

I fly the Ki84 a lot.  Here's my general experience fighting Spits.  In a Co-E merge, the Spit drive has a big advantage at the merge most of the time, simply because the speeds are usually much higher at the merge and the Spit driver can gain an advantage right away in the first turn, because his ride likes the faster speeds better.  From that point on, the Ki84 driver is trying to make up that ground, which is really tough to do.  Winning that first merge is a huge advantage for the Spit pilot.

So my advice to you as a Spit pilot.  Work to win that first merge.  It puts the Ki guy behind right out of the gate. He now has to be that much better and push that much harder to make up for the merge.  The harder he pushes, the more likely he is to make a critical error and give you an opening.

As a Ki driver, I find it very helpful to enter that merge as close to corner speed as possible.

[moot]

Wow 8 pages.  I'm the original poster so let me know if I have this about right, Spit 8 vs Ki84, im flying the spit, as a loose strategy I should:  Keep speed up above 240, if possible get the KI to overspeed in a dive (+ 350), don't count on acceleration, climb rate, or level top speed to help, become a better pilot, shoot first.  Is this right? remember I am talking about less than or equal skill level on my part.

Someone who flies it enough will correct me if this is wrong, but you might even benefit from taking the fight as low as just above the Ki 84's first flap speed.

[MachFly]

Perhaps Rud3boi will post his opinion. He is the only pilot I know who flies the Ki-84 successfully.

[JUGgler]

 

Perhaps Rud3boi will post his opinion. He is the only pilot I know who flies the Ki-84 successfully.

Really?




JUGgler

[Karnak]

Perhaps Rud3boi will post his opinion. He is the only pilot I know who flies the Ki-84 successfully.

Define "successfully".

By any reasonable definition of "successfully" there are many people who do so in the Ki-84, even myself.

[Ardy123]

Define "successfully".

By any reasonable definition of "successfully" there are many people who do so in the Ki-84, even myself.

NrShida is very good in the ki-84.

[MachFly]

Define "successfully".

By any reasonable definition of "successfully" there are many people who do so in the Ki-84, even myself.

He's got a K/D of 4.85 in it, I think that's good.

Really?




JUGgler

I have no idea what your trying to say.

[Karnak]

He's got a K/D of 4.85 in it, I think that's good.

That is good, but many others have good K/D ratios in it too.  It is one of the, probably, top 10 best unperked fighters in AH.  Its K/D ratio exceeds any Spitfire other than the Mk XIV, which is perked, every tour.

I have no idea what your trying to say.

Your statement sounded like you were saying that Rud3boi was the only successful user of the Ki-84.  Rereading it I can see you meant the only one you knew, not the only one at all.

[MachFly]

Right, he is the only one that I know.