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Offline JunkyII

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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2011, 06:04:38 PM »
Ill take a ki over the spit anyday....all those who said they never lost against a ki hasn't gone against a good kind pilot.....think of it as a crossbreed between 109 and spit
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2011, 06:10:49 PM »
What is the never accede speed in Ki-84? I know it's a lot lower than Spitfire's but just want to see the exact deferents.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2011, 06:14:12 PM »
Quote from: MachFly on March 27, 2011, 06:10:49 PM
What is the never accede speed in Ki-84? I know it's a lot lower than Spitfire's but just want to see the exact deferents.

I had it up to 450 last night....controls were tight, but I was able to catch a 51 and kill him :D
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2011, 06:16:15 PM »
Quote from: ink on March 27, 2011, 06:14:12 PM
I had it up to 450 last night....controls were tight, but I was able to catch a 51 and kill him :D

I remember when I used to fly the Ki-84 a few years back my ailerons would rip off at high speed, do you remember what speed that is?


The pony pilot must have been a noob...
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2011, 06:25:30 PM »
As long as the ki can keep its flaps open, it can turn wth anything so the spit is losing quickly. Without flaps the ki becames a dog and outmatched by almost anything.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2011, 06:56:40 PM »
Quote from: JunkyII on March 27, 2011, 06:04:38 PM
Ill take a ki over the spit anyday....all those who said they never lost against a ki hasn't gone against a good kind pilot.....think of it as a crossbreed between 109 and spit

Since I'm the only one who said that are you saying I've never flown against a good Ki pilot?  I've beat some of the better Ki pilots in the game.  And I do know the entire planeset.  You really don't have to tell me how a Ki flys but I guess we all know how much you think of yourself.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2011, 08:58:18 PM »
Quote from: BaldEagl on March 27, 2011, 06:56:40 PM
Since I'm the only one who said that are you saying I've never flown against a good Ki pilot?  I've beat some of the better Ki pilots in the game.  And I do know the entire planeset.  You really don't have to tell me how a Ki flys but I guess we all know how much you think of yourself.

...well...um...look who's talking....

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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2011, 09:02:58 PM »
Quote from: Oldman731 on March 27, 2011, 08:58:18 PM
...well...um...look who's talking....

- oldman

Ive never seen BE show any type of "Im UBER cartoon pilot"  EVER

not that Im saying Junky does, but he is more in your face then BE is any day
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2011, 09:07:35 PM »
Quote from: ink on March 27, 2011, 09:02:58 PM
Ive never seen BE show any type of "Im UBER cartoon pilot"  EVER

not that Im saying Junky does, but he is more in your face then BE is any day


I don't know either one of them, I'm just reading the thread.

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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2011, 10:53:45 PM »
Quote from: boomerlu on March 27, 2011, 05:59:35 PM
Ahh I apologize it's 160 each. Just tested it out. However the Ki has incremental flaps where the Spit has only one setting. Again, according to the numbers the Spit should be out turning the Ki unless the Ki drops flaps where the Spit does not.
The flaps are completely different on the two aircraft.  The Ki-84 has fowler flaps that increase wing area.  The Spitfire has split flaps for landing that do little to help turn radius and actively hurt turn rate.

The first notch of the Ki-84's flaps come down at about 166mph.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2011, 10:59:36 PM »
Ki-84's flaps are indeed better than Spitfire's.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2011, 12:10:18 AM »
Quote from: MachFly on March 26, 2011, 10:27:19 PM
I was not there so it's hard to comment. I know I never have problems with the Ki-84 and I know the numbers say that the Spit 8 is a better plane.

I think what happened was there was no one who really knew the plane and ki-84 is a better turnfighter (especially on the deck), therefore the Ki-84 pilots had a large advantage.
Ki-84 is much snappier on the roll than the Spitfire VIII , is tougher than the Spitfire VIII and is a bit faster than the Spitfire VIII down low.  I also wouldn't undersell the Ki-84's guns.  They are very good, perhaps even excellent when it comes to Spitfire killing.

In that AvA setup, the Ki-84 did a very credible job of dominating the Spitfire VIII.  It was very lopsided, not just a little bit.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2011, 12:11:39 AM »
I honestly have very hard time believing that a Ki-84 can take more fire than a Spit8.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2011, 12:14:13 AM »
Quote from: MachFly on March 29, 2011, 12:11:39 AM
I honestly have very hard time believing that a Ki-84 can take more fire than a Spit8.
As somebody who used them as my two "go to pure fighters", other than pilot wounds, the Ki-84 is very noticeably tougher than the Spitfire.  In particular, the wings on a Spitfire are, quite probably, the most fragile major part of any aircraft in AH.  The rapid fire guns on the Ki-84 would be close to ideal at removing them.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2011, 12:18:03 AM »
Quote from: Karnak on March 29, 2011, 12:14:13 AM
As somebody who used them as my two "go to pure fighters", other than pilot wounds, the Ki-84 is very noticeably tougher than the Spitfire.  In particular, the wings on a Spitfire are, quite probably, the most fragile major part of any aircraft in AH.  The rapid fire guns on the Ki-84 would be close to ideal at removing them.

The wings look "fragile" because they are thin and large, in reality they are pretty though. It is easy to shoot the wing off a Spitfire because they are large and easy targets.

Perhaps we can go to the DA and test this? One of us flies straight and the other shoots, they count the hits in the recording.
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