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Offline Seadog36

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Re: France!
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2011, 11:57:30 AM »
How about a few sweet MTO French D-11 Jugs skins to start:






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Re: France!
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2011, 12:03:28 PM »
There are three french skins for the P-47D-25 right now and one for the P-39Q
and whoever makes french jokes, blame it on the same reason the US gave up in Vietnam, politics, although the french were fighting germany throughout the whole war in some form of another, weather it be the French Foreign Legion, or the FFI, they were always fighting
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Re: France!
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2011, 12:09:24 PM »
that bird is beaultiful and Im all for early war. +1
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Re: France!
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2011, 12:12:16 PM »
See Rule #4
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Re: France!
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2011, 12:20:20 PM »
isnt it against the rules to discuss stuff like that?
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Re: France!
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2011, 01:13:48 PM »
The French planes the game needs most are the Spads and Nieuports.
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Re: France!
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2011, 03:11:29 PM »
Try to keep it on-topic, guys.
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Re: France!
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2011, 05:39:58 PM »
My favorite part was when the USA had to liberate France because they were out of the war by 1940.  :ahand

The US didn't liberate France, the Allies did.

The French fought just as hard as any other country in the war, they got their butts kicked, happens all the time.
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Re: France!
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2011, 05:47:45 PM »
I like it :aok+1

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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2011, 06:28:08 PM »
60 rounds I'm pretty sure.
not enough lol
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Re: France!
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2011, 06:30:32 PM »
not enough lol
I could get 4 or 5 kills with 60 rounds, you are forgetting about the 4 7.7mm's in the mix aswell, this thing would be a killer
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Re: France!
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2011, 06:41:02 PM »
Santos was one of those geniuses on the edge of insanity.  :salute

I respectfully acknowledge the non-US contributiions to flight. But, it was the Wright brothers who pioneered controlled, heavier-than-air flight. They worked with their own wind tunnel, reworked lift tables, and deisgned their own engine.

On the OP, yes, to the D.520. Plus the MB.150 and the M.S.406.  While we're in the year 1939, let's throw in the Fokker DXXI and the Ki-27.

I would pass the MB.150 Fokker and Ki and trade it by a Potez twin-engined light bomber - can't remember the model now - add maybe a french bomber (Leo & Olivier) and a SM.79...

BTW, don't forget Bartolomeu de Gusmão experience at Lisbon - in the lighter than air area - and Clément Ader in France in the heavier than air section. This was, in fact the first heavier-tha-air, powered, flight. Short, low and hardly controlled, indeed, but a fact.

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Re: France!
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2011, 08:47:37 PM »
+1
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Re: France!
« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2011, 09:23:08 PM »
There are three french skins for the P-47D-25 right now and one for the P-39Q
and whoever makes french jokes, blame it on the same reason the US gave up in Vietnam, politics, although the french were fighting germany throughout the whole war in some form of another, weather it be the French Foreign Legion, or the FFI, they were always fighting
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I would say that there is a difference in "giving up" in your own country and giving up in someone else's country.

BTW the US didn't give up Vietnam they just left.
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« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2011, 09:45:50 PM »
D.520 didn't make it in time or in numbers. With the organization structure of the French Air Force the time, they were also scatered.

It was a very small percentage of the air force in total. The more likely candidates, making up much larger numbers of actual front line units and seeing more actual combat, were the earlier models. Ms.406s and Curtiss Hawks were in great numbers.

There were 67 squadrons of fighters in May 1940 according to the following very interesting link:
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1985/sep-oct/kirkland.html

However questionable the kill listings are there, it seems they have done some checking and probably at least have the basic numbers and breakdown of the French forces reasonably correct.

It says:
"The first two squadrons equipped with the fast and agile Dewoitine 520 entered the battle on 13 May; eight others completed conversion training and became operational before the armistice."

Another resources says 36 (maybe 2 squads of 16?) were in service at the start of the war. This same time showed the French and Belgian air forces having 780 total fighters. Of which 36 were D.520s.

While they ramped up production and rushed training as much as they could, the link I posted up there shows a very curious view on the French at the time. They were stockpiling fighters anywhere they could, but had no pilots to fly them! Trying to hide their weakness due to internal politics, they kept accepting more and more shipments of planes from French companies as well as Allied imports, they couldn't even utilize them all! While they had a large air force, only 1/4 to 1/5 of this could ever be flown at one time. They had aging pilots and had to sacrifice some of those from front-line units to help train yet more.

So, in short, even though they increased numbers that actually served during the very short Battle of France, the D.520 was a minority player. It was a star and gets lots of credit, but it didn't get the majority of kills nor did it get the lion's share of the combat.

My $0.02 is the D.520 doesn't have much place in this game. Unless we really start expanding other early war planesets more important than the French lineup, I also would say the other French craft take a back burner to other nation's planesets right now.