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Offline PFactorDave

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Re: France!
« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2011, 09:50:17 PM »
I would say that there is a difference in "giving up" in your own country and giving up in someone else's country.

BTW the US didn't give up Vietnam they just left.

Don't forget that Vietnam was French Indo-China before it was Vietnam.  The French "gave up" and left about 1960ish, if I recall correctly.  The US action in Vietnam was partly a clean up effort of the mess that the French walked out on.  Unfortunately, the US didn't have the political will tofinish the job either.

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« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2011, 10:37:59 PM »
My $0.02 is the D.520 doesn't have much place in this game. Unless we really start expanding other early war planesets more important than the French lineup, I also would say the other French craft take a back burner to other nation's planesets right now.
D.520 certainly played a larger part in WWII than the C.205, Ta152, Me163, Ar234 and Ostwind.

I can't see any reason you would claim it has no place in the game, particularly given your fondness for the C.205.
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« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2011, 10:43:57 PM »
I could get 4 or 5 kills with 60 rounds, you are forgetting about the 4 7.7mm's in the mix aswell, this thing would be a killer
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Re: France!
« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2011, 12:54:00 AM »
D.520 certainly played a larger part in WWII than the C.205, Ta152, Me163, Ar234 and Ostwind.

I can't see any reason you would claim it has no place in the game, particularly given your fondness for the C.205.

stinky bait Karnak. More than the ta152 for sure, maybe the ar234... but not the others.

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« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2011, 01:03:19 AM »
stinky bait Karnak. More than the ta152 for sure, maybe the ar234... but not the others.
What, from memory, the 500+ D.520s delivered before the fall of France, 100+ kills through the war are less significant than the complete non-contributions of the Me163 and Ta152 and the extremely minor contributions of the Ar234, C.205 and Ostwind?

I think you either grossly underestimate the D.520's service or greatly overestimate the Me163, Ar234, Ostwind and C.205's service.
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« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2011, 01:30:36 AM »
Karnak is correct, D.520 Served almost the entire war is some form of another, as a matter of fact, I think it would be not a far stretch to say that more D.520's were built then C.205's, Ta-152's and Ostwinds combined
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« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2011, 01:42:51 AM »
Karnak is correct, D.520 Served almost the entire war is some form of another, as a matter of fact, I think it would be not a far stretch to say that more D.520's were built then C.205's, Ta-152's and Ostwinds combined

it's use wasn't limited to the start of the war indeed, occupied France still used em as front line fighter, not with great success IIRC, but it was used.
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« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2011, 01:46:48 AM »
In occupied you mean Vichy correct? I am just wondering? from what I hear after the liberation, FFI used them aswell to support ground forces
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Re: France!
« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2011, 02:06:45 AM »
That 20mm cannon was the same as the p39D's smaller cannon?
Anyway, this is a little beauty. Way more advanced design than the hurricane, i am curious what was its performance compared to the spitfire 1. Anyone have detailed information about it?
The only problem is, it had a very short frontline serice period. I dont think the germans used it in the front line, and not sure if the Vichy-France sent forces to the front. There are fighters produced in way higher numbers that we dont have. I would like it to be added tho, but there is a priority factor.
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« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2011, 03:02:29 AM »
Its was used by Vichy in North africa for a short time, as for performance , it was a slower but much more manuverable 109E
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Re: France!
« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2011, 03:35:54 AM »
Its was used by Vichy in North africa for a short time, as for performance , it was a slower but much more manuverable 109E

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Re: France!
« Reply #41 on: March 29, 2011, 04:13:31 AM »
I don't see any reason not to add the D.520 other than HTC resources.

It would expand the planeset and give CM teams more to work with.

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Re: France!
« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2011, 09:51:17 AM »
My $0.02 is the D.520 doesn't have much place in this game. Unless we really start expanding other early war planesets more important than the French lineup, I also would say the other French craft take a back burner to other nation's planesets right now.
It is an unfortunate reality that early war birds end up as hangar queens in the MA. In my opinion, the early war birds are interesting because they reflect interwar theories that were yet to be proven in combat: more variety. Late war birds are the result of convergent evolution: all very similar.

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Re: France!
« Reply #43 on: March 29, 2011, 11:52:17 AM »
 The French defeat in Vietnam was in 1954 at Dien Bien Phu.

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« Reply #44 on: April 02, 2011, 07:08:15 AM »
The French defeat in Vietnam was in 1954 at Dien Bien Phu.

Yes, but this is WWII.
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