black holes

[RTHolmes]

OK, I ll ask you then.  Do you think they know and understand everything that describes a black hole, its creation and its behavior?

you asked this exact question earlier, and moot answered it for you. why are you asking it again?

[bozon]

OK, I ll ask you then.  Do you think they know and understand everything that describes a black hole, its creation and its behavior?  And if they do, why can't they come into agreement with each other?

The things you edited and bold faced when quoting me (not a nice thing to do unless you explicitly say you edited it) are actually well determined and agreed upon. The are the results of very simple physics, so unless you wish to invoke the "what about the force of aliens from a 6th dimension" argument, we can safely say that we "know" them as much as anything can be known in science.

To the question do we know everything about black holes bla bla... the answer is no. It would have been very boring if the answer was otherwise.

[Penguin]

I think he's trying to say that you're the most annoying know-it-all kid this BBS has seen in a long time (possibly ever).

Maybe that's just my interpretation.

Let him speak for himself. 

-Penguin

[dedalos]

you asked this exact question earlier, and moot answered it for you. why are you asking it again?

Yes, he answered it.  Does he speak for you also?  I'd like to know peoples opinions.  Especially after they go into a lengthy explanation of how the universe works lol

[RTHolmes]

you can probably take it as read that anyone who understands the scientific method would give you the same answer moot did, so yes

[Vudak]

Let him speak for himself. 

-Penguin

I think many people share dunnrite's interpretation, Penguin.  You're the first teenager I've ever met that I wish would try and act like one.  Go outside, get in trouble, chase some girls...

[dedalos]

you can probably take it as read that anyone who understands the scientific method would give you the same answer moot did, so yes

Well, I would still like your opinion though.  You can always copy Moot but what do you think.  Some of us don;t understand the scientific methods yo uspeak of

[lulu]

The only thing from which it is impossible to escape is ... a wife ack!

No evaporation by Hawking's emission of radiation!


 

[RTHolmes]

Would you care to elaborate?

not sure I'd go as far as dunnrite, but that was the gist of it.

If you want a specific criticism of the post I replied to, how about crowbarring in some marginally relevant stuff I learnt in my philosophy class to make me look smart.

also basic thermodynamics isnt going to get you very far in trying to understand black holes. mass/energy conversion takes place, but information does appear to be destroyed. hence holographic interpretations, m-theory etc. you have alot more reading to do before you can get a handle on the problems that black holes throw up, and the theories that attempt to answer them.

[mechanic]

See Rule #2

[RTHolmes]

you are each barely much older

I wish!

cant speak for moot but if penguin is still at school, then I am more qualified. I'd rather see him tone it down a bit and ask more questions, then some day he may start providing some answers to these tricky questions himself which will never happen if he gets into the habit of thinking he already understands everything.

[mechanic]

I understand that mate! But do you not think I have a fair point?

Lets wait till we produce a published and widely accepted paper before we start deciding who can and who cannot seem 'know-it-all'?  

  cheers!

[Vudak]

I understand that mate! But do you not think I have a fair point?

Lets wait till we produce a published and widely accepted paper before we start deciding who can and who cannot seem 'know-it-all'?  

  cheers!

Bat, I see your point, but Penguin's getting a hard time for a multitude of threads beyond this one.  Over the past few months, he has demonstrated such a complete lack of self-awareness, that the generous side of me is starting to believe it's all a show designed to secure the role of Steve Carrel's successor.  He's also not especially polite to other members and should expect a little quid pro quo from time to time.

[mechanic]

Fair enough.  I am with Dedalos on this one though. All the know-it-alls are just treading water no matter if aged 8 or 80 when discussing black holes. All the know-it-all theories change every few years anyhow.

I'm not defending Penguin in everything he does. I'm defending his right to think he is a know-it-all with all the other know-it-alls... no matter of age

[Penguin]

Holmes, moot, dedalos you're right, I am a know it all .  I deserve every spanking I get on here- just to warn you though, you guys are my role models (i.e. Skuzzy, moot, Holmes, Moray, mtnman ).  Thanks for teaching me how to write more fluently, and helping me debate against opponents with three times my frontal lobe  .  I should ask more questions, though, so I'll start with this one.  Who is Steve Carrel, and why would I want to suceede him? 

It's funny that you mention philosophy class though, there is no such thing at my school.  I'm self taught (in that regard, I'm no truant!).  The problem is that my ideas typically run into prejudice, ignorance, or patriotism which defies logic (ex. We can just nuke everyone else).  The other thing is that my teachers get ticked off when I ask too many questions, so I've tried to restrain myself.  If questions are what you want, however, I'd be happy to oblige.

Here are my questions, so that I may glean something from your vast stores of knowledge:

What information is being destroyed by these black holes, and how?
Can you enlighten me with regards to m-theory, I know it involves membranes in the 11th dimension formed by the strings and super-strings, but what else can this theory do?

With regards to the below:

I think many people share dunnrite's interpretation, Penguin.  You're the first teenager I've ever met that I wish would try and act like one.  Go outside, get in trouble, chase some girls...

WARNING, I'M ABOUT TO SPILL MY SOUL

There is no-one but the dog-walkers outside.  I can't get in trouble, I have a future to think about.  Chasing girls will only end with broken hearts for all involved, and probably some sort of lawsuit against me.  Furthermore, I don't think that it could ever end well- I'm a cruel, lying, perverted slob.  If a girl actually did like me, I'd refer them to a mental institution.

-Penguin