Night Arena

[SlapShot]

plus as i said before if all you wanna do is furball and make no contribute to the war effort to try and win then goto the DA.

Listen, if you want to rally support for bringing night back the MA arenas ... fine, knock yourself out, but don't for second think that people who could give a rats arse who wins the war are any less as valuable as a customer as those who want to win the war(s).

The "win the war" objective is in place to promote conflict ... nothing more, nothing less. Conflict in this game comes in many flavors and the conflicts to win the war are not the only ones that the MA arenas offer ... so lay off the "go to the DA" crap if you don't want to participate in the "war effort".

I pay my 14.95 a month just like everyone else and if all I could do was fight in the DA or have to participate in every base taking effort, the 14.95 a month would end for me and I am sure a lot of other people.

Nobody really wins the "war", the map resets and it starts all over again, to ... wait for it ... promote conflict.

[fullmetalbullet]

I'm just saying you dont have to do that in  the MA. i think that if they put the ability to win the war into the game then that should be done. making it more realistic should also be implamented as well such as night time. if all else HTC should atleast give us what we want insted of bending over for the majority. we pay out 14.95 as well and we should get something that makes it fun for us and not just fun for the majority.

[SlapShot]

I'm just saying you dont have to do that in  the MA. i think that if they put the ability to win the war into the game then that should be done. making it more realistic should also be implamented as well such as night time. if all else HTC should atleast give us what we want insted of bending over for the majority. we pay out 14.95 as well and we should get something that makes it fun for us and not just fun for the majority.

For simplicities sake ...

Let's say you had a game and the total population of players was 100 and each paid $10/month to play.

80 players dislike night and if it's implemented, they will quit.

20 players love night and if it's not implemented, they will quit.

Who are you going to appease? ... the majority or the minority? ... do you want the $800/month or the $200/month?

[fullmetalbullet]

For simplicities sake ...

Let's say you had a game and the total population of players was 100 and each paid $10/month to play.

80 players dislike night and if it's implemented, they will quit.

20 players love night and if it's not implemented, they will quit.

Who are you going to appease? ... the majority or the minority? ... do you want the $800/month or the $200/month?

I just dont get why you guys cant just wait for sunrise and let the minority have the fun that they want aswell. the only way i see this working out for all is that they make timezones for the MA that way one side is day time amd one side is night time and it moves around insted of the whole arena going dark. that way you can still pick your fights in the light and those who love flying at night get what we want, but idk how that can be done. another this is i dont see why you guys would quit over night time that lasts an hour.

[PJ_Godzilla]

For simplicities sake ...

Let's say you had a game and the total population of players was 100 and each paid $10/month to play.

80 players dislike night and if it's implemented, they will quit.

20 players love night and if it's not implemented, they will quit.

Who are you going to appease? ... the majority or the minority? ... do you want the $800/month or the $200/month?

And the incremental cost of a night arena, by which you'd make everyone happy and perhaps draw addtional players, is how much?


Did you consider day/night frame in scenarios, back to back?

I never proposed either/or w/r the MA.

Indeed, here's the grand(iose) vision: all phases, all weapons, all theaters, TOTAL WWII .

Any single increment (for example, adding the Hummel SPA) will draw how many? Now, how many would the total package draw?

And how much is that incrmental non-brick and mortar capacity again? See, if HTC builds it like he knows it should be built, I'm convinced they will come. If he builds it only for the people he's already got, how much growth can he expect?

[fullmetalbullet]

And the incremental cost of a night arena, by which you'd make everyone happy and perhaps draw addtional players, is how much?


Did you consider day/night frame in scenarios, back to back?

I never proposed either/or w/r the MA.

Indeed, here's the grand(iose) vision: all phases, all weapons, all theaters, TOTAL WWII .

Any single increment (for example, adding the Hummel SPA) will draw how many? Now, how many would the total package draw?

And how much is that incrmental non-brick and mortar capacity again? See, if HTC builds it like he knows it should be built, I'm convinced they will come. If he builds it only for the people he's already got, how much growth can he expect?

i would think alot of growth. but as i said before i dont get why you guys would leave just becuase you cant pick a fight for an hour. Oh i cant fight someone in my plucky little spit 16, Oh i cant fight someone for an hour man my rank is gonna drop. well ya know tough.

i dont play this game for kills, so you wont understand this when i say i play this game because i love flying. and i loved flying at night back when we had it.and just because you cant get kills and have your name in lights dosnt mean the minority that wants something should have to go without.

and yes we should have an arena that has night time in it. if anything HTC should put this to a vote. and if the majority dosnt want night time then that will show in the number of votes. and if the majority wants night time back then you know whos paying HTCs bills

[SlapShot]

I just dont get why you guys cant just wait for sunrise and let the minority have the fun that they want aswell. the only way i see this working out for all is that they make timezones for the MA that way one side is day time amd one side is night time and it moves around insted of the whole arena going dark. that way you can still pick your fights in the light and those who love flying at night get what we want, but idk how that can be done. another this is i dont see why you guys would quit over night time that lasts an hour.

I said it wouldn't cause me to quit and I would log off for the hour or so ... but it might cause others to quit.

Are you or any that want night going to quit if you don't get it ? If not, then HT wins with no night.

[fullmetalbullet]

I said it wouldn't cause me to quit and I would log off for the hour or so ... but it might cause others to quit.

Are you or any that want night going to quit if you don't get it ? If not, then HT wins with no night.

i wont quit but i just think they need to make it to where eveyone gets what they want. and i dont get why you would leave for an hour just becuase you cant fight. and quiting just because you cant get a fight going for an hour is kinda low and stupid. i mean cmon.

[SlapShot]

i would think alot of growth. but as i said before i dont get why you guys would leave just becuase you cant pick a fight for an hour. Oh i cant fight someone in my plucky little spit 16, Oh i cant fight someone for an hour man my rank is gonna drop. well ya know tough.

i dont play this game for kills, so you wont understand this when i say i play this game because i love flying. and i loved flying at night back when we had it.and just because you cant get kills and have your name in lights dosnt mean the minority that wants something should have to go without.

and yes we should have an arena that has night time in it. if anything HTC should put this to a vote. and if the majority dosnt want night time then that will show in the number of votes. and if the majority wants night time back then you know whos paying HTCs bills

Wow ... you have a habit of taking things to an ugly level. I don't want night, I don't fly spit16s, I don't care about getting my name in lights, and I could give a rats arse about rank. Why must those who don't like night have to fit into your ridiculous definition of demeaning categories? Bad debating tactics for sure.

I fly this game to compete against other flyers. The "kill" is the end game of the game that I play and if night causes the amount of chances that I have to do that ... I don't want it, and so do a lot of other people.

There was many a thread many moons ago about night and that was what caused night to go away, so I think the majority already spoke. HTC hasn't lost any people because there is no night so if it ain't broke ... don't fix it.

[SlapShot]

i wont quit but i just think they need to make it to where eveyone gets what they want. and i dont get why you would leave for an hour just becuase you cant fight. and quiting just because you cant get a fight going for an hour is kinda low and stupid. i mean cmon.

What about the people who only have about an hour a day to play the game? What fun for them to login and find the lights out.

I would leave for the hour because flying and fighting at night ... SUCKS BALLS ... don't know how to better explain it.

One more time ... having night WOULD NOT CAUSE ME TO QUIT ... so you cmon.

[fullmetalbullet]

What about the people who only have about an hour a day to play the game? What fun for them to login and find the lights out.

I would leave for the hour because flying and fighting at night ... SUCKS BALLS ... don't know how to better explain it.

One more time ... having night WOULD NOT CAUSE ME TO QUIT ... so you cmon.

well i dont see why that said person who has only and hour to play cant goto the blue arena if orange is night and blue is day. people are complaining about arena caps. maybe that might fix it cuasing people to go into the lower population arena if the maxed out arena is night. and i know you wont quit the game i get it. but as i keep saying its pointless to quit a game just becuase its night time for an hour. that said quiter has the entire day to play i dont see why or how the arena going to night would cuase him to quit.

[The Fugitive]

You can read the info posted "back then", it's only 10 pages long, but this is the post that pretty much finished it.

New arena just for night time, is not going to happen.

[PJ_Godzilla]

You can read the info posted "back then", it's only 10 pages long, but this is the post that pretty much finished it.

Yeah, but that was 2008. Moore's law probably impacts HTC's cost structure.
I'll concede the points about switching the MA over - I don't think it makes a lot of sense. However, if the WWI arena was worthwhile (I doubt it is in a variable sense, though I've been told it was in the damage model developmental impact to the entire offering) well, bad example...

The overall point is this: more is better and it's not going to succeed as either/or but it might well succeed as "and". Consider, as an analog, indirect-fire ground weapons. Nobody's going to be hot on the idea of getting them if it supplants GV direct-fire weapons. OTOH, if they come along "in addition to" it's going to rock.

Use your imagination and envision a much broader offering than what we now have. Imagine the ground war gamers populating a real war arena, over which fighter pilots get to fly and fight. How could this be bad if HTC maintains the integrity of the fms?

See, there's this thing called a bandwagon effect with MMOGs. The more the merrier - in a big and nonlinear way. And when you reckon that the development of a relatively lame and dumb (though beautifully so, here) GV is a more efficient offering in terms of players drawn per unit development (if you can reach that critical bandwagon level) than our fighters, you might see where I'm going. We need meat, and that applies both in-game and to fuel faster/higher volume expansion. The top of the food chain would naturally benefit more from this.

But who knows. HT might just be enjoying the narrower niche. I have no idea what his vision is. I think you could pump this turkey for a broader, but still highly integral, WWII all-phase niche, drive greater volume in the course of doing so, and be able to offer a broader range of cool things to do. Fug, you've been here much longer than I but, my impression, given the media involved, is that this thing is moving at a glacial pace, growthwise. That said,  I love and am really grateful for the game - and would love to see more involved. I'd love to see a giant online virtually violent party going CONSTANTLY and with historically accurate vehicle models. Admittedly, night arena is probably NOT the first step in a chain of events that might lead to such an outcome -but it might be one of 'em.

Probably biggest/best first bang for the buck is rounding out the historical daylight set.

[fullmetalbullet]

i wonder if HTC puts this to a vote in the game. the outcome would be different then what the majority say they want.

[FLS]

We had this before in the game and the players voted by logging off.