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Offline jolly22

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B29 guns
« on: March 30, 2011, 08:41:59 PM »
can they really reach to a range of 2k?! That seems a bit much to me......
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Re: B29 guns
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2011, 08:45:56 PM »
The guns on the B29 are the same 50s on all the other US aircraft IIRC. The 20mm might be able to hit you at 2k but the 50s are useless past 1.2k.
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Re: B29 guns
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2011, 08:46:27 PM »
A 2k shot would be very difficult, though made easier if you are holding steady at dead six.  The bullets are the same, why isn't it possible.
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Offline jolly22

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Re: B29 guns
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2011, 08:50:17 PM »
Quote from: Jayhawk on March 30, 2011, 08:46:27 PM
A 2k shot would be very difficult, though made easier if you are holding steady at dead six.  The bullets are the same, why isn't it possible.

I never said it wasnt possible, it just surprised me when im over some 29s and they hit me 2k out...
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Re: B29 guns
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2011, 09:44:30 PM »
My guess is that the 1.5k range is from where the round is fired. So if you see him at 2k while he is firing and you are flying at him at 400+mph the rounds might make it to you before they have traveled their 1.5k lifetime. Some Galilean relativity maybe.
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Re: B29 guns
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2011, 11:40:22 PM »
Quote from: jolly22 on March 30, 2011, 08:50:17 PM
I never said it wasnt possible, it just surprised me when im over some 29s and they hit me 2k out...


It's not unrealistic.

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Re: B29 guns
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2011, 11:44:27 PM »
Quote from: jolly22 on March 30, 2011, 08:41:59 PM
can they really reach to a range of 2k?! That seems a bit much to me......


It's not impossible but the possibility is next to zero. Must have been a lucky shot.
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Re: B29 guns
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2011, 11:48:58 PM »
Quote from: Ack-Ack on March 30, 2011, 11:40:22 PM
It's not unrealistic.

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6,000 feet, two moving objects, wind.... it's completely unrealistic.

The effective range of gunners in WW2 was about 400-600 yards.  Period.  Extend that slightly for the sighted and slaved nature of the -29.

Radar guided B-52 tail gun, range was about 1,200-1,600 yards, as a guidepost.
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Re: B29 guns
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2011, 11:59:12 PM »
There's no wind in AH.
Games are going to be unrealistic for a while yet.
You might get hit at 2K if you're flying into the bullets from 6oc.
Pretty sure 20mm have the same range as 50cal.  Only germane exception in the game' IIRC the Yak 9T's NS37.
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Re: B29 guns
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2011, 01:48:18 AM »
Quote from: MORAY37 on March 30, 2011, 11:48:58 PM
6,000 feet, two moving objects, wind.... it's completely unrealistic.

The effective range of gunners in WW2 was about 400-600 yards.  Period.  Extend that slightly for the sighted and slaved nature of the -29.

Radar guided B-52 tail gun, range was about 1,200-1,600 yards, as a guidepost.

Nvm, wouldn't want anyone to get offended...
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Re: B29 guns
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2011, 01:57:45 AM »
due to the b29s size the drones are almost 1k from the players plane. if the b29 gunner is good he will jump in a drone closest to you and hammer you at what you think is 2k by an icon and is actually 1k
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Re: B29 guns
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2011, 03:46:06 AM »
Quote from: MORAY37 on March 30, 2011, 11:48:58 PM
6,000 feet, two moving objects, wind.... it's completely unrealistic.

The effective range of gunners in WW2 was about 400-600 yards.  Period.  Extend that slightly for the sighted and slaved nature of the -29.

Radar guided B-52 tail gun, range was about 1,200-1,600 yards, as a guidepost.

The gunners on the City of Bartlesville scored a kill on a Japanese interceptor over a mile away during a low level daylight raid over Japan.  The radar guided fire control system enabled the gunners to hit targets further out since all the aiming and Kentucky windage was all done by computer.  Not saying 100% hits all the time but getting hit 2,000yards away wasn't out the realm of possibility.  I don't think a manually aimed gun turret like on the B-17 or B-24 would have pulled it off, but with a computerized radar guided fire control system, it was possible.

On a side note, Airman Albert E. Moore serving as the tail gunner on the B-52 "Diamond Lil" shot down a MiG-21 when it locked on the MiG with it's radar 4,000 yards out and destroyed it with his quad .50 caliber machine guns.  This was the last time a tail gunner shot down a plane with machine guns.  This took place on Christmas Eve, 1972 during the Linebacker raids.

A week earlier, Staff SGT. Sam Turner, detected two MiG-21s approaching his B-52 and locked on the closest one, about a mile away and fired.  He couldn't tell from the resulting fireball he saw whether or not he hit the MiG-21 or if it was an errant SAM missile that blew up early.  When he looked at his radar, he noticed only one fighter was visible and it was quickly leaving the area.  Staff SGT. Sam Turner was awarded the Silver Star for this action.  

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Re: B29 guns
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2011, 04:36:18 AM »
The last time I tested this, no machine gun rounds hit anything after 1,500 yards in AH. They disappear at even less distance, the closer you get to the ground. At just above sea level, machine gun rounds disappear after 1,200 yards.

You can confirm this by using a target in the MA.
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Re: B29 guns
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2011, 05:02:09 AM »
I am on my phone so bear with me.... if the round leaves the b29 going xxx and the b29 is flying xxx in the opposite direction.... plus the plane in trail is flying xxx MPH when you see the 2k icon how far is the bullet actually going.  Seeing as how the closure rate is over half the speed of the bullet.
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Re: B29 guns
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2011, 08:51:18 AM »
Quote from: dirtdart on March 31, 2011, 05:02:09 AM
I am on my phone so bear with me.... if the round leaves the b29 going xxx and the b29 is flying xxx in the opposite direction.... plus the plane in trail is flying xxx MPH when you see the 2k icon how far is the bullet actually going.  Seeing as how the closure rate is over half the speed of the bullet.


I am just reversing my 18 wheel articulated lorry into a narrow side road on a busy high street during a torrential hail shower while texting but it does occur to me that the bullet may already be travelling at 350mph in the wrong direction  ;)

If you are fireing at a figheter making a HO atack then you could in the case of say a 262 have perhaps an 850mph closing speed. For a dead six atack proabably more like 150 mph.
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