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Offline BuckP

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Ta-152 radiator hits
« on: March 31, 2011, 10:10:17 AM »
After doing some searching on the boards here regarding the Ta-152's radiator, I was unable to come up with any prior posts on the matter.  So I am curious as to why the radiator takes a hit every time in this plane upon most engagements, from all angles?  It's a huge plane for sure, with a huge engine (same engine as in the JU-88's is my understanding), but it seems a bit extreme to always take a radiator hit.  Also, I can't seem to find information anywhere talking about this happening in real life to these planes (even with their limited time in the actual war, from JAN45).  Is this a modeling thing, or is it a true glass chin?

As an aside, sharing the engine with the JU-88, I can't say I have ever taken a radiator hit in a JU-88.
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Re: Ta-152 radiator hits
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2011, 10:15:00 AM »
Just a little clarification: The Ta-152H has not the same engine as our Ju-88A.  The Ju has a Jumo 211, the Ta 152 a Jumo 213, though both are of about the same size. Only later Ju 88's got the 213 too.
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Re: Ta-152 radiator hits
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2011, 11:45:28 AM »
Be more or try to be more careful flying the beautiful hot babe chick plane. shes a beauty, treat her nice she will treat you better ten fold.  :aok
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Re: Ta-152 radiator hits
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2011, 12:05:42 PM »
You'll find the 190D has a very similar problem.
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Re: Ta-152 radiator hits
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2011, 12:14:48 PM »
Quote from: moot on March 31, 2011, 12:05:42 PM
You'll find the 190D has a very similar problem.
what puzzles me is that the A8 and the F8 doesnt seem to get as much radiator hits  :headscratch:


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Re: Ta-152 radiator hits
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2011, 12:38:39 PM »
Quote from: greens on March 31, 2011, 12:14:48 PM
what puzzles me is that the A8 and the F8 doesnt seem to get as much radiator hits  :headscratch:


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Because they are radial engines and dont have radiators
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Re: Ta-152 radiator hits
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2011, 01:38:00 PM »
Thanks for the clarification on the engines Lusche.  As a whole I have no problems with radiator hits in general, obviously they happen with those planes that are water cooled.  However it seems very excessive in the Ta-152 within the game.  Just curious about that.

Greens, yes I do try to be very careful, always working on strats with my flying (still have MUCH to improve upon).  A ping from any angle will give a radiator hit in this plane, so aside from not getting hit at all (oh how I wish), it's a head scratcher for me.
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Re: Ta-152 radiator hits
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2011, 03:45:31 PM »
What I find comical is that in either the Ta-152 or the FW-190D your radiator can be hit by someone who is directly behind you!

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Re: Ta-152 radiator hits
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2011, 11:53:20 PM »
That is exactly what I mean by all angles.
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Re: Ta-152 radiator hits
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2011, 04:44:08 AM »
Exactly Bino, exactly... I've taken radiator hits from angles where the bullet has had to travel through the entire plane to get to radiator. :lol

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Re: Ta-152 radiator hits
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2011, 05:27:16 AM »
its the whole damage system that is porked, not just a plane.
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Re: Ta-152 radiator hits
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2011, 05:09:25 PM »
Quote from: Bino on March 31, 2011, 03:45:31 PM
What I find comical is that in either the Ta-152 or the FW-190D your radiator can be hit by someone who is directly behind you!

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Re: Ta-152 radiator hits
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2011, 07:36:02 PM »
While on the subject, I observed two things:

1. While watching a WWII thing on the History Channel an ex-pilot mentioned that a p-51 can only go about 45 minutes with a radiator hit before the engine seizes up.

2. While coming in for landing with a blown radiator and engine off. I decided to turn on my p-51’s engine just before touching down. I did this just in case I needed a quick burst of power was needed to reach the runway. While in full idle I noticed my engine temp. gauge moved from low to high about the same rate as if my engine were in full throttle.

I wonder if the engine temp modeling needs a little upgrade. Coming from an engineering background and have taken a thermodynamics course (study of heat and power transfers). I would believe the engine temp is modeled incorrectly in two areas:

1.   The engine temp. gauge seems to rise the same no matter what the engine throttle is set to.
2.   The engine temp. gauge seems to follow a linear heat rise instead of exponential. As an engine gets hotter it would radiate heat at higher rate than at a lower temp., thereby, slowing the temp. gauge rise as the engine gets hotter. However, heat does transfer at a linear rate with regards to delta T (difference in temperature between two objects or mass).

I suggest, for a rough example only, the engine temp. gauge should do the following with the loss of liquid coolant. Note: this is just a guestamate.

Proposed engine temp gauge rise rate with no liquid coolant and at full throttle (degrees C):
From   90 to 100  = 0.5 minutes
From 100 to 110  = 1.25 minutes
From 110 to 120  = 2.5 minutes
From 120 to 130  =  4.0 minutes

Proposed engine temp gauge rise rate with no liquid coolant and at full idle (degrees C):
From   90 to 100  = 1 minutes
From 100 to 110  = 3 minutes
From 110 to 120  = 5 minutes
From 120 to 130  = 8 minutes
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Re: Ta-152 radiator hits
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2011, 12:36:57 PM »
Quote from: smoe on April 08, 2011, 07:36:02 PM
While on the subject, I observed two things:

1. While watching a WWII thing on the History Channel an ex-pilot mentioned that a p-51 can only go about 45 minutes with a radiator hit before the engine seizes up.

The first thing to do its to find out is if this is accurate.  I personally have no idea.  Perhaps HiTech only models huge gaping holes in the radiator that leak out all the fluid in seconds.  And the guy on the HC experienced a radiator hit but still had fluid for 45 minutes thanks to it being a small hole. 
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Re: Ta-152 radiator hits
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2011, 01:36:29 PM »
Quote from: greens on March 31, 2011, 12:14:48 PM
what puzzles me is that the A8 and the F8 doesnt seem to get as much radiator hits  :headscratch:


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i don't know if you are serious or not greens, but either way  :lol
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