Would you have done it?

[MORAY37]

Nobody wondered how he found the right guys?

He didn't.  He was just jumping out of his car and axing dudes.   Because they were dudes, that's all.

[mechanic]

That is not the original point. If it was me I would have found the right guys before decapitating anyone. If I couldnt find them, I would keep searching.

[MORAY37]

he has prevented the perpetraters from being able to further harm his family....or anyone elses.

 i have ZERO sympathy for anyone that rapes, or messes with kids.........ZERO.....NONE>>>>NADA>>>>>ZILCH>>>>>>>ZIPPO

and i don't wanna pay for their room and board by having them in jail.

You're missing the whole point of what happened.  He was just axing guys..... because they were guys.  Not suspects.  Just men, walking down the street.

Joseph Ntshongwana, 34, played for the Blue Bulls team which is based in Pretoria.

Reports in South Africa claimed he murdered the men to avenge the gang-rape of his daughter which left her infected with HIV.

However, police spokesman Vincent Mdunge said the suspect did not have a daughter who had been raped.

Ntshongwana faces three counts of murder, one of attempted murder and a charge of assault with intent to do grievous bodily harm.

Newspaper reports from South Africa claim one of the men was decapitated and his head was found in a rubbish bin 2km away.

Police have apparently told reporters another victim was found with his head only attached to his body "by a nerve".

No information has been released on the third victim.

Ntshongwana was arrested in Durban on Tuesday. An axe and bloodied clothes were found nearby.

Defence lawyer JP Broster said his client was not mentally fit to stand trial, according to the Cape Town Argus.

It said Mr Broster asked that his client be taken out of police custody and placed in a psychiatric institution.[/quote]

[mechanic]

Ok Moray, If it was true, would you have done it?

still no?

[Angus]

Having 2 daughters...hmmm.
Castration I guess. And some more spice.

[Plawranc]

My Idea of Justice?

if we *know* they did it, shoot them, if they twitch, shoot them again.

I am descended from generations of London police, they didnt carry guns and dedicated their lives to keeping people safe. But there were men, evil men such as the Cray's and other gangs and thugs, who murdered, stole, extorted and otherwise made life a misery for people. But we couldnt arrest them due to millions of little technicalities and even harder still was to get a conviction.

So I say, if we have a general consensus that they are guilty of a henious crime, we dispense justice the old fashioned way, with a rope or a gun.

to quote a song by a southern US country singer "if they are guilty, they would swing quickly, not be writing books and smiling on TV"

[EskimoJoe]

My Idea of Justice?

if we *know* they did it, shoot them, if they twitch, shoot them again.

I am descended from generations of London police, they didnt carry guns and dedicated their lives to keeping people safe. But there were men, evil men such as the Cray's and other gangs and thugs, who murdered, stole, extorted and otherwise made life a misery for people. But we couldnt arrest them due to millions of little technicalities and even harder still was to get a conviction.

So I say, if we have a general consensus that they are guilty of a henious crime, we dispense justice the old fashioned way, with a rope or a gun.

to quote a song by a southern US country singer "if they are guilty, they would swing quickly, not be writing books and smiling on TV"

Yes, that works just well for you!
Until you get wrongly accused of some heinous crime...

[Vudak]

Fine, you're entitled to you opinion. You're also entitled to fail at life thinking you can turn the other cheek and survive. Jesus got away with 'turning the other cheek' because he could come back form the dead. Got HIV, nevermind, daddy will cure you. Doesn't work like that for this poor girl in South Africa.

I do think you can turn the other cheek and survive, Bat...  It's been awhile since I've gone to England, but aside from making damn well sure you use a crosswalk, I'm really not sure what about the place compels you to think you have to act like a primitive to get another few breaths?

When someone wrongs you, you do not need to chop their head off over it.

[CAP1]

You're missing the whole point of what happened.  He was just axing guys..... because they were guys.  Not suspects.  Just men, walking down the street.

Joseph Ntshongwana, 34, played for the Blue Bulls team which is based in Pretoria.

Reports in South Africa claimed he murdered the men to avenge the gang-rape of his daughter which left her infected with HIV.

However, police spokesman Vincent Mdunge said the suspect did not have a daughter who had been raped.

Ntshongwana faces three counts of murder, one of attempted murder and a charge of assault with intent to do grievous bodily harm.

Newspaper reports from South Africa claim one of the men was decapitated and his head was found in a rubbish bin 2km away.

Police have apparently told reporters another victim was found with his head only attached to his body "by a nerve".

No information has been released on the third victim.

Ntshongwana was arrested in Durban on Tuesday. An axe and bloodied clothes were found nearby.

Defence lawyer JP Broster said his client was not mentally fit to stand trial, according to the Cape Town Argus.

It said Mr Broster asked that his client be taken out of police custody and placed in a psychiatric institution.[/quote]

the original question was "would i have killed my daughters rapists if that happened to me.

 my answer was yes. slowly and painfully, and they would never have been found.

[mechanic]

I do think you can turn the other cheek and survive, Bat...  It's been awhile since I've gone to England, but aside from making damn well sure you use a crosswalk, I'm really not sure what about the place compels you to think you have to act like a primitive to get another few breaths?

When someone wrongs you, you do not need to chop their head off over it.

Sure when someone wrongs me. But when they wrong my daughter in such a terrible way and infect her with HIV, rational thinking departs.

Let's say you are attacked by a lion. You cannot ask the lion politely to not tear you apart. That is the law of nature. The men who would rape a girl and infect her with HIV are lower lifeforms than a lion.


So what would you do, Vudak? (If your daughter was raped and infected. Don't aruge that the scenario this was based on is true or not..)

What course of action would you take?

[Penguin]

Sure when someone wrongs me. But when they wrong my daughter in such a terrible way and infect her with HIV, rational thinking departs.

Let's say you are attacked by a lion. You cannot ask the lion politely to not tear you apart. That is the law of nature. The men who would rape a girl and infect her with HIV are lower lifeforms than a lion.


So what would you do, Vudak? (If your daughter was raped and infected. Don't aruge that the scenario this was based on is true or not..)

What course of action would you take?

There is a hole in your logic- a lion attacking you is threatening your immediate safety.  A rapist infecting your daughter poses no danger to you, and the deed is already done.  If you then go out and kill him, that is premeditated murder.  This crime carries the death penalty or life in prison.  Furthermore, your daughter can still live quite a while with HIV. 

If your daughter is HIV positive, she still has 20 years left to go, not 2 ^[1].  Depending on her age, it might not even make a difference.  This doesn't make it any better however, a diagnosis of HIV ensures death.  However, I digress.

If you honestly believe that the court system is incapable of prosecuting a simple rape charge, you are mistaken ^[2].  Think of all the sex offenders out there- they were all prosecuted succesfuly.  Granted, some got away, but their chances are slim at best of escaping forever. 

-Penguin

Sources Cited:
[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS#Prognosis
[2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape#Prosecution

[CAP1]

There is a hole in your logic- a lion attacking you is threatening your immediate safety.  A rapist infecting your daughter poses no danger to you, and the deed is already done.  If you then go out and kill him, that is premeditated murder.  This crime carries the death penalty or life in prison.  Furthermore, your daughter can still live quite a while with HIV. 

If your daughter is HIV positive, she still has 20 years left to go, not 2 ^[1].  Depending on her age, it might not even make a difference.  This doesn't make it any better however, a diagnosis of HIV ensures death.  However, I digress.

If you honestly believe that the court system is incapable of prosecuting a simple rape charge, you are mistaken ^[2].  Think of all the sex offenders out there- they were all prosecuted succesfuly.  Granted, some got away, but their chances are slim at best of escaping forever. 

-Penguin

Sources Cited:
[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS#Prognosis
[2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape#Prosecution

ok..here's how it is.

mess with my family, and be prepared to pay the ultimate price.

[Penguin]

ok..here's how it is.

mess with my family, and be prepared to pay the ultimate price.

Ok, here's how it is.

You don't go around randomly jumping out of your car with an ax and chopping people up just because someone hurt your kids.  That's messed up, and leaves you no better (in fact, worse, since he raped her, you killed him and a whole bunch of other people) than the nutjob who caused you so much pain.

Your argument is futile, you are restating your conclusion, but you fail to support it.  Hence, I declare victory and I will leave this thread.

-Penguin

[mechanic]

Penguin, you totaly missed my lion point. My point is that even if you and others like you dream of a world governed by law there will always be a natural creature who doesnt give a crap about your law. A lion would show you this, and rapists are lower lifeforms by far than lions. More importantly, if you do have faith that the legal system will always deal out justice in this kind of situation, you are a foolish sheep.

Anyhow, I would much rather my question be answered by Vudak, as he is someone who's opinion I respect.

[CAP1]

Ok, here's how it is.

You don't go around randomly jumping out of your car with an ax and chopping people up just because someone hurt your kids.  That's messed up, and leaves you no better (in fact, worse, since he raped her, you killed him and a whole bunch of other people) than the nutjob who caused you so much pain.

Your argument is futile, you are restating your conclusion, but you fail to support it.  Hence, I declare victory and I will leave this thread.

-Penguin

that wasn't the question. the question was what would we have done if our daughter was raped. we all answered the question.