Oil ?

[allaire]

Or we could drive electric vehicles and use mass transit and mass freight.  It would cost significantly less to run our economy on that than oil.  You seem to be fixated on using a non-renewable resource indefinitely. 

-Penguin

Sorry but what about the folks like me that would have to walk 8 miles to get to the closest bus stop to get to their job?  Before anyone says get a job closer to where you live or move closer to your job, that just isn't feasible.

[Penguin]

Sorry but what about the folks like me that would have to walk 8 miles to get to the closest bus stop to get to their job?  Before anyone says get a job closer to where you live or move closer to your job, that just isn't feasible.

Walk 8 miles?  Try biking there instead, it saves a ton of effort (your arms eat up most of it when you run).  It helps you stay in shape and gets you a breath of fresh air.  Once you arrive, use a lock to secure your bike (there ought to be bike racks along the way).

I don't know about anyone else, but the buses I see allow you to bring the bike onboard as well.  This means that you can park it at the office, where security cameras ought to be.  If not, then bring it inside.  If you get a decent lightweight roadbike, it shouldn't be hard to manhandle.   

-Penguin

[grizz441]

Walk 8 miles?  Try biking there instead, it saves a ton of effort (your arms eat up most of it when you run).  It helps you stay in shape and gets you a breath of fresh air.  Once you arrive, use a lock to secure your bike (there ought to be bike racks along the way).

I don't know about anyone else, but the buses I see allow you to bring the bike onboard as well.  This means that you can park it at the office, where security cameras ought to be.  If not, then bring it inside.  If you get a decent lightweight roadbike, it shouldn't be hard to manhandle.   

-Penguin

What about during the winter, and also during pretty much every day of your life where you don't want to pedal a bike for miles after working 8-10 hours?

[Plawranc]

Penguin. Its impractical.

Cars will always exist, what drives them shall change. That is fact.

[mijoieau]

Absolutely.  I didn't mean to scare you, I apologize.

Or we could drive electric vehicles and use mass transit and mass freight.  It would cost significantly less to run our economy on that than oil.  You seem to be fixated on using a non-renewable resource indefinitely. 

-Penguin

Unfortunately electric cars would then cause a power crisis which i think the US already has big problems with.
Even if 1/8 of the population turned over to electric cars then you need allot more power plants and the extra use would also create electricity price to rocket up just like oil, i am sure you could maybe build billions of wind turnbinds but other wise electricity usually comes from non renewable sources as well.

[grizz441]

Penguin are you for or against more nuclear power in this country?

[AirFlyer]

The problem with Mass Transit is the US is just to big, and it uses almost all of it's continent. Are you going to build a bus/train terminal of my "village" of only a couple hundred. And I can name about 10 more in a 30 mile radius.

[CAP1]

A lot of  folks can't understand how we came    to  have an oil shortage here in our  country.
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Well, there's a very simple  answer.
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Nobody bothered to check the oil.
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We  just didn't know we were getting low.
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The reason for that  is purely geographical.
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Our OIL is located  in:
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ALASKA
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California
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Coastal  Florida
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Coastal Louisiana
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North  Dakota
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Wyoming
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Colorado
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Kansas
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Oklahoma
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Pennsylvania
And
Texas
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Our dipsticks are located in DC

that's pretty funny. 

[Getback]

I've noticed the dipstick can reach to Brazil!

[CAP1]

The only problem is that the oil present would not justify ruining the Everglades, Alaskan Frontier, Great Plains, and Golden Coast.  We have enough oil to last us for centuries, but it's all locked away in 5-6 gallon pockets.  If we pursued it, we'd expend more energy than we'd extract, and be left with a sooty, charred landscape.

-Penguin

we've been getting oil from alaska for years....and it hasn't ruined a dam thing.

[CAP1]

Absolutely.  I didn't mean to scare you, I apologize.

Or we could drive electric vehicles and use mass transit and mass freight.  It would cost significantly less to run our economy on that than oil.  You seem to be fixated on using a non-renewable resource indefinitely. 

-Penguin

ELECTRIC will not cost less.

mass transit? bah. there is no bus route and no train that even comes close to my home, or my work.

[EskimoJoe]

we've been getting oil from alaska for years....and it hasn't ruined a dam thing.

Valdez once, but that was an accident 

[CAP1]

Valdez once, but that was an accident  

ok./....you got me. i forgot about that. one time so far. and it wasn't an accident. it was carelessness or negligence somewhere along the line on someone's part. 

[Penguin]

Penguin are you for or against more nuclear power in this country?

All for it, it'll buy us enough time to come up with something better.  The only problem I see is running out of room to dispose of it safely, but apparently you can drop it through the ocean floor by heating it up.

-Penguin

[EskimoJoe]

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