109 f-4 vs g-6

[Guppy35]

the 51D is much faster at low alts as the 51B was geared for higher altitudes. both 51s have advantages and disadvantages to be used against the enemy.

You are referring to AH right?

The B and D models for real worked quite well together and often with the introduction of the D model in late May 44.  B/Cs flew alongside the D/K models til the end.

One of my  favorite 51 pictures.  November 44, a mix of 51B/C and D models of the 359th.  Early canopy, Malcom B/C, Bubble top Ds.  There isn't anyway they were operating two different engine types at one time with one geared for high alt, and one for low.

[321BAR]

You are referring to AH right?

The B and D models for real worked quite well together and often with the introduction of the D model in late May 44.  B/Cs flew alongside the D/K models til the end.

One of my  favorite 51 pictures.  November 44, a mix of 51B/C and D models of the 359th.  Early canopy, Malcom B/C, Bubble top Ds.  There isn't anyway they were operating two different engine types at one time with one geared for high alt, and one for low.

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yes. but quite honestly although their differences are very subtle, they still are differences that can count at pressure moments. D has 6 guns (im game usually) but is also heavier and geared for lower altitudes while the B has less guns but is lighter and faster higher up and geared also to fly at higher alts better. Whats even better than that, everyone who flew both 51s in the BoG knows exactly what i mean when the 51D couldnt climb above 31k well when the 51B could still pull some maneuvers up that high. So i really was speaking the truth about it in game (definitely) and possibly in real life. if the two were modeled after WWII counterparts exactly i'd take the 51B over the 51D anyday at alt and in turning abilities (although like i said both are very similar)

[mechanic]

http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/pony_reversal_rad_g6_1409.ahf


A quick film clip on the awesomeness of the 109-G6

That is all.

edit: ok, I was wrong, there is more

http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/g6_4_on_1.ahf

and even more

http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/109g6_vs_g14.ahf

[Guppy35]

yes. but quite honestly although their differences are very subtle, they still are differences that can count at pressure moments. D has 6 guns (im game usually) but is also heavier and geared for lower altitudes while the B has less guns but is lighter and faster higher up and geared also to fly at higher alts better. Whats even better than that, everyone who flew both 51s in the BoG knows exactly what i mean when the 51D couldnt climb above 31k well when the 51B could still pull some maneuvers up that high. So i really was speaking the truth about it in game (definitely) and possibly in real life. if the two were modeled after WWII counterparts exactly i'd take the 51B over the 51D anyday at alt and in turning abilities (although like i said both are very similar)

The difference between game and 'real life' is that the 51B/C or D/K could use the same engines rated for the same altitudes.  In game I believe the B has the -3 Merlin while the D has the -7 Merlin.   This is similar to what the Spitfire FIX has in game in the Merlin 61 and the Spitfire XVI has in game the Packard Merlin 266.  One rated for higher alts and the other one with better performance at medium to low alts.

That being said.  The majority of B/C Ponies had the -7 Merlin, just as the majority of Spitfire IXs had the Merlin 66 instead of 61.

That mix of Mustangs in the photo I posted all would have had -7 Merlins.
I suppose that a good wishlist item might be the P51B/C with a -7 Merlin to go with the 51D, in particular for scenario use etc

[MiloMorai]

Initially, the P-51B and C had the Packard V-1560-3 engine rated at 1400 hp for takeoff and 1450 hp at 19,800 feet. There were 400 P-51B-1-NAs and 250 P-51C-1-NTs built.

total of 1990 P-51Bs

total of 1750 P-51Cs

V1650-3 production was ~17% of all P-51B/C production.

At 61" of Hg

V-1650-3
critical altitude, low blower - 13,750'
critical altitude, high blower - 25,800'

V-1650-7
critical altitude, low blower - 8,500''
critical altitude, high blower - 21,400'

[321BAR]

The difference between game and 'real life' is that the 51B/C or D/K could use the same engines rated for the same altitudes.  In game I believe the B has the -3 Merlin while the D has the -7 Merlin.   This is similar to what the Spitfire FIX has in game in the Merlin 61 and the Spitfire XVI has in game the Packard Merlin 266.  One rated for higher alts and the other one with better performance at medium to low alts.

That being said.  The majority of B/C Ponies had the -7 Merlin, just as the majority of Spitfire IXs had the Merlin 66 instead of 61.

That mix of Mustangs in the photo I posted all would have had -7 Merlins.
I suppose that a good wishlist item might be the P51B/C with a -7 Merlin to go with the 51D, in particular for scenario use etc

learn something everyday. <S> thank you

[Ruah]

The F4 is more nimble, you can dump speed in a turn or with some high G moves, then pick it back up quickly.  This translates to really nice vert and extention options that the G6 lacks.  The F4 feels more forgiving in the E fight, the G6 is really nice if you start with some altitude and can control the fight from start to finish - the F4 just feels a lot lighter.

[save]

To me, it feels like the 109g can dive faster with control than the F-series.

[Noir]

To me, it feels like the 109g can dive faster with control than the F-series.

aerodynamic improvements between the G and F series. They do come at a price tho.

[Debrody]

You think?
Im not fammiliar with the F, but the G-6 is able to reach the blackout with autotrim up to 430mph. Not as bad. Any Fritz experts?
But once more, i dont fly anything but the G-6, and still, me in a Fritz owns me in the G-6 8/10 times.

[Noir]

You think?
Im not fammiliar with the F, but the G-6 is able to reach the blackout with autotrim up to 430mph. Not as bad. Any Fritz experts?
But once more, i dont fly anything but the G-6, and still, me in a Fritz owns me in the G-6 8/10 times.

I'm not sure your comparison method is a viable one. A G6 should be able to outzoom a F4 but not outclimb it...think spit5 VS spit9. at very high speed a G blackout limit is the same for all the planes.

[Wmaker]

Just made a comprasion.
Those MGs really dont mean anything,

Haven't flown in a real war obviously but at least in AH, this is compelete nonsense. Especially considering how the AH damage model works. 13mms make a considerable difference.

[Debrody]

I'm not sure your comparison method is a viable one. A G6 should be able to outzoom a F4 but not outclimb it...think spit5 VS spit9. at very high speed a G blackout limit is the same for all the planes.

Tell me that the G-6 is better... its FAR from the spit5 vs spit9. The spit9 is 20 to 40 mph faster than the spit5 at ALL altitudes.
ehm G blackout limit...  there is a lil thing called compression. Try to BnZ in a 109g6 like you do in your dora or pony, and lets see what happens.
Maker: ok you won, my plane is the best from the planeset, idk wtf im beyotching here. 

[Noir]

haha I didn't see, the G2 is faster than the G6, and it is more maneuverable! Why are you flying this piece of toejam again? As a sidenote the 13mm in aces high can get you a couple of kills alone, while it is almost impossible to do the same with the 7mm.

I have yet to hear about a reliable compressibility measuring test, but again I would expect the 109G6 to bleed less E in a dive, as various parts of the wings and the fuselage were redesigned in an effort to increase speed.

looking at the charts all you can do in a G6 against earlier 109's is run, or outfly them, or die 

[Debrody]

looking at the charts all you can do in a G6 against earlier 109's is run, or outfly them, or die 

Running: i never run from a 109, let it be any subtype, flown by anyone. The problem is that they are faster and climb better than me, even the F at some altitudes.
Outfly: trying trying.
Die: i very rarely die to 109s.