PBY Request

[gyrene81]

Cargo in the case of the PBYs were dropping supplies to the teams like the Alamo Scouts that were put in behind enemy lines or maybe dropping supplies to downed airmen while they await rescue.  It did not carry cargo like a C-47, it wasn't built for that nor could it carry the weight.  Maybe the PBY in game could get away with being able to drop a small number of GV supplies but that would be about it.

ok so wait...you're saying that with a payload capacity of 4000lbs (2000lbs less than the c-47), the pby could not carry the weight of anything more than survival rations if it were fitted to do so?

       

[Ack-Ack]

ok so wait...you're saying that with a payload capacity of 4000lbs (2000lbs less than the c-47), the pby could not carry the weight of anything more than survival rations if it were fitted to do so?

       

It didn't have the interior capacity for carrying large or heavy cargo, unlike a dedicated cargo carrier like the C-47.  Cargo would also have to be limited in size due to how you'd have to get the cargo in and out of the PBY.  Unlike the C-47, it didn't have a large side door to allow easy loading and unloading of cargo and didn't have a bomb bay to help load and unload cargo.

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[B-17]

I would say because some people think they look similar but I won't even go that far. It's because, for some people, they are big flying boats so they must be the same.

My favorite so far is B-29--> Tu-4 (an actual clone)--> Tu-95 Bear.

All I can figure is the Tu-2 and Tu-95 are both Soviet, are both silver color, and both have four engines.


wrongway

Reread this thread...





VeRY similar, no?

That's where I was confused. I also never said anything about Japanese planes simply being knockoffs of better Allied planes, I was simply making the [wrong] assumption that the Sunderland was better protected.

My bad.

[Karnak]

You said "H8K2 basically a structural knock-off" which reads as a copy.  I didn't say "inferior copy", just copy.  The implication of those words are that the Japanese didn't create their own, they just copied the British.  I will be blunt, as Mitsubishi and Nakajima engineers were in post war interviews, Japanese engines from before the start of the war were licensed copies, or derivatives thereof, of American and British engines.  They most certainly did copy things, but they also created their own designs as well.

Yes, they do look similar, though IIRC the H8K is somewhat larger.  They look similar as the basic form available for a large flying boat is significantly dictated by the "boat" portion of that and the hydrodynamics of taking it off of the water.

[B-17]

Yes I did say that, didn't I... dammit.

[ozrocker]

Would be a cool addition stationed at ports. Of course a water takeoff.


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[Rob52240]

PBY with air to surface radar would be B.A. For finding enemy fleets.

[DemonFox]

O how I love the PBY! The PBY is a dedicated beast. 2x 2000lb Torps 4x 1000 lb bombs 10x troops and as far as the whole cargo goes I know it could carry small cargo but not enough to repair a fleet or a base. Now as for the surface Radar that is a great idea! To be able to have a CV actually pop up on the map if within range would be very nice. No more having to go out and guess the general direction. And for the people who dislike the Troop carrier idea I agree it shouldnt carry paratroops BUT it should be able to carry Spec ops and have to land to let them out. I mean already people land C-47 all the time to release troops what would be wrong with landing the PBY!

+1 For a versitileand able bird that gets a bad rep to slow speeds!

[iron650]

+1 For a versitileand able bird that gets a bad rep to slow speeds!

It would be easier to hit a slow moving target than it would be a fast target. Goons are easier to kill than ponies. You would have to be very high to avoid flack (around 10k to avoid auto and over 10k to dodge CV 5" guns.) The size of the PBY doesn't help it either. The Val, Stuka, and SBD might be slow but is small enough to avoid flack. (Unless manned.)

[Karnak]

Per the story Ack Ack posted a bit ago, the last H8K2 to be flown by the Japanese was escorted to its surrender by a PBY.  The H8K2 had to fly a zig-zag course so as not to outpace the PBY.

[Ack-Ack]

To be able to have a CV actually pop up on the map if within range would be very nice.

It probably wouldn't work like that in game, after all in real life it didn't work that way.  

The PBYs were equipped with an ASV radar system with a very limited range, less than 20 miles and were mostly used at night for navigation and for locating potential surface targets.  When a target was detected, the pilot still had to visually locate the target and then would notify the targets position to other Black Cats in the area to come along and join the party.  

In daytime, the ASV radar wasn't really used as the Mark I I-Ball Target Location and Aquisition System was far more effective in daylight and a pilot using said system could locate surface targets further away than 20 miles, especially if the pilot was using a visual enhancer with the Mark I I-Ball system.

Because there is no night in AH, having a crude ASV system on a plane would be useless because a player would stand a better chance locating the CV with the Mark I I-Ball than they would with the crude and early ASV system that PBY's used at night.  Any thought of using the PBY as some sort of WW2 version of a J-Star radar plane is a tad unrealistic.

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[skorpion]

IIRC the PBY had 2 .50 cal waist guns, 3 .30 cal guns, 2 in front, 1 in the ventral and i believe it had 2 20mm cannons? (maybe). but on the topic of picking up downed pilots, no. if you are that greedy for the spotlight then you dont deserve to be picked up.

[Ack-Ack]

Per the story Ack Ack posted a bit ago, the last H8K2 to be flown by the Japanese was escorted to its surrender by a PBY.  The H8K2 had to fly a zig-zag course so as not to outpace the PBY.

Yep, the Emily was a lot faster than the old Catalina.  


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[Ack-Ack]

IIRC the PBY had 2 .50 cal waist guns, 3 .30 cal guns, 2 in front, 1 in the ventral and i believe it had 2 20mm cannons? (maybe). but on the topic of picking up downed pilots, no. if you are that greedy for the spotlight then you dont deserve to be picked up.

The 20mm equipped PBY was a field modification and only a very few were modified in such a fashion, as were the ones modded with the quad .50s in the nose mount.

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[Skyguns MKII]

+1