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Offline B-17

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Sunderland vs. H8K2 Emily
« on: April 08, 2011, 03:16:25 PM »
Does anybody on here know the differences in performance/record/armament/whatever between the Sunderland and the Emily? I'm just wondering because I know that the two look similar, but other than that, what?
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Re: Sunderland vs. H8K2 Emily
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2011, 03:33:12 PM »
H8K2:
Maximum speed: 290 mph
Range: 4,440 mi
Service ceiling: 28,740 ft
Rate of climb: 1,600 ft/min
Armament: Five 20mm Type 99 Model I cannon (same as tail gun on G4M in AH) in bow, dorsal, and tail turrets, plus one each in two waist blisters; five 7.7mm Type 97 machine guns (same as 7.7mm guns on G4M in AH) in fuselage hatches, giving some fire coverage in all directions
Ordnance: Two 800kg torpedoes or eight 250kg bombs or two 1,500kg bombs.

Special Note: Due to it being Japanese people may expect fragility, but the H8K2 had a fully protected fuel system, armor for the engines and crew positions.  It was, by far, the toughest Japanese aircraft.


Sunderland Mk III:
Maximum speed: 212 mph
Range: 3,000 mi
Service ceiling: 15,000ft ft
Rate of climb:790 ft/min
Armament: One .303 Vickers GO machine gun in nose turret (optional second gun in nose turret, two .303 Browning machine guns in dorsal turret, four .303 Browning machine guns in tail turret, four fixed .303 Browning machine guns firing ahead, one .50 Browning machine gun in each waist position
Ordnance: Assorted weapons to total weight of 5,000lbs housed in hull and cranked out under wings prior to attack
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Re: Sunderland vs. H8K2 Emily
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2011, 03:40:56 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on April 08, 2011, 03:33:12 PM
H8K2:
Armament: Five 20mm Type 99 Model I cannon (same as tail gun on G4M in AH) in bow, dorsal, and tail turrets, plus one each in two waist blisters; five 7.7mm Type 97 machine guns (same as 7.7mm guns on G4M in AH) in fuselage hatches, giving some fire coverage in all directions

they had 5x20mm? and thank you :)
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Re: Sunderland vs. H8K2 Emily
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2011, 03:50:50 PM »
I have a bunch of photos and such I can send you if you like.
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Re: Sunderland vs. H8K2 Emily
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2011, 03:06:32 AM »
later sunderlands had 4 browning .50 in the tail turret and twin .50 in the Dorsal and nose turret . 20mm cannon were also added plus a move to wasp engines in the MKIV
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Re: Sunderland vs. H8K2 Emily
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2011, 03:22:55 AM »
the difference in characteristics is staggering! It does looks like the H8K is WAY superior.
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Re: Sunderland vs. H8K2 Emily
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2011, 09:59:12 AM »
Quote from: Karnak on April 08, 2011, 03:33:12 PM
Sunderland Mk III:
Maximum speed: 212 mph
It is not only a flying boat, it also flies like a boat...
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Re: Sunderland vs. H8K2 Emily
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2011, 01:28:15 PM »
Quote from: bozon on April 12, 2011, 09:59:12 AM
It is not only a flying boat, it also flies like a boat...
Hey, that is something like 30mph faster that the oft requested PBY Catalina.
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Re: Sunderland vs. H8K2 Emily
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2011, 02:08:08 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on April 12, 2011, 01:28:15 PM
Hey, that is something like 30mph faster that the oft requested PBY Catalina.


From the story I posted about the air duels between Japanese and US patrol planes.
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Lt. Hitsuji survived the war to become the last Japanese pilot to fly the H8K2 when he flew the big boat to Yokohama and where it was handed over to the US occupational forces. He was escorted by a PBY, but had to fly in zigzag pattern to keep from overtaking the PBY.

Another interesting side note...the increased defensive firepower on the H8K2 was a direct result of the "patrol plane air war" against US patrol planes and bombers.

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Re: Sunderland vs. H8K2 Emily
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2011, 05:48:15 PM »
Oh just found out the 1944 sunderland MkV had 16 .50cal  in it's turrets and  waste gun points and the forward fixed guns moved over to 4 X 20mm . 
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Re: Sunderland vs. H8K2 Emily
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2011, 04:46:27 AM »
Holy cow!
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Re: Sunderland vs. H8K2 Emily
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2011, 01:39:34 PM »
Quote from: B3YT on April 12, 2011, 05:48:15 PM
Oh just found out the 1944 sunderland MkV had 16 .50cal  in it's turrets and  waste gun points and the forward fixed guns moved over to 4 X 20mm . 
OK, so it was a slow flying flak boat...
Talk about a death star.
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Re: Sunderland vs. H8K2 Emily
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2011, 04:40:48 PM »
wasn't called the flying porcupine for nothing.

My grand father worked at RAF Pembroke after Serving in the DAF with 6 Squadron.   He said cleaning the tail gunners window was done by dangling off the tail  with rope tied around your ankles
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Re: Sunderland vs. H8K2 Emily
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2011, 07:36:00 PM »
makes sense...pretty high off the ground (if thats where you were...)
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Re: Sunderland vs. H8K2 Emily
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2011, 02:08:44 AM »
The MkIV was  quite well armed Twin .50 in the nose turret , twin 20mm cannon in dorsel 4 .50cal in tail . 2 .50 in waste and extra   2 fixed in the nose . add that to the 4 in the tail gun . :O  details here

http://www.aviastar.org/gallery/sunderland.html

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