Bailing to avoid ?

[ImADot]

I'll bail if my plane is already busted up and cannot fly.  I'll also bail from an undamaged plane if nobody's around to fight and there's a fight "over there somewhere".  I don't give a rip about score or K/d or K/h or any of that crap.

[mtnman]

I've done it if I'm in a 152 or something and there's a horde of 10+ 400 behind me, no point trying to fight that.

I usually duke it out if it's a "reasonable" gang-bang...  Say, 5 or 6 vs 1.  Much worse odds than that though, and I may switch gears.    I generally like the challenge of a "clean" 3v1.  4v1 is getting pretty tough though, and 5v1 is practically unmanageable.  Anything much beyond that is a waste of everyone's time and effort.

First of all, none of them want a "fight".  If they did, they wouldn't need 6+ "wingmen".  Put up a great fight, and it'll go unnoticed in the random melee anyway.  They're all just trying to get guns-on as fast as possible, and land some hits on you before "their" (earned?) kill gets "stolen".  Regardless, it isn't a "fight" from their perspective.  Not with a swarm like that...

Second, why support their dweebery, and make it entertaining for them?  That'll just reinforce that type of behavior.  Far better to do what you can to make it a less-entertaining scenario.  Waste their time as much as possible, and then belly-land before they can land hits.  Don't "auger" and die, try to land it; it's much harder, and hopefully more humiliating.  Waste their time if possible by dragging them far away from the base they're swarming, then reverse back into them, bleeding your E so you can land on your next reversal.  Don't end flight right away; you may actually score a few kills as they panic-strafe you.  If you need to, fire a few short bursts while you're on the ground if they have trouble figuring out where you went.  If you can manage a kill or two before you belly-land, so much the better!  Just don't let them land any hits, or they'll think they "earned" the kill.

Third, none of them expects your "kill" anyway.  They know they have a pretty remote chance of being the "lucky" one with the kill, so expect an assist at best.

If you put up too much of a fight, they'll think the landing was an accident, and think that it was a "victory".  Next thing you know, we'll have guys thinking "Man, I'm/we're finally getting better!  The 8 of us just totally "owned" that guy!"

If they can't show you any respect, or a certain level of "class", why should you extend any to them? 

[Slate]

  Those that bomb and bail are playing a game with little inmersion into the WWII combat experience. I always enjoy fighting to the last bullet and maybe taking a few fighters down that saddle up on my six. Landing damage and kills is the best.  Being a target is part of the game. Don't deprive others of thier fun after they've climbed for several minutes to engage your deadly guns. 

[EagleDNY]

I buff a lot.  I will bail when I don't feel like spending 20 minutes flying home, or if it is important to get the next load of bombs otw to our target base ASAP.  Every so often I'll get someone who ups and seems to expect me to fly around for 10 minutes or so while he tries to climb and catch up - maybe I'll wait, and maybe I won't. 

If I am in B-17s, I usually take the fighters on because killing fighters with B-17s is loads of fun, and I've got a couple of drones to burn anyway.  If I am in a Boston, I'll be running because 1 .30 cal doesn't give you much hope vs fighters, and I may get away or I may be dragging the defensive fighters away from the battle so the next wave can get in.

The trick is to intercept us BEFORE we get to target - once my bombs are out, my mission is completed.  Anything else is just gravy.

[ImADot]

EagleDNY describes exactly why bailing from bombers should always count as a death.  If you're too ADD to bring your bombers home, then don't fly them.  If you "have to bring another load ASAP", then bring more friends.

[DREDIOCK]

I bail out when I have lost a complete wing or tail section, or when I am on fire.  I liken this to a realistic bail.

Ditto. And even then I sometimes see if I can bring it in literally on a wing and a prayer. Which is probably where the term comes from

[LLogann]

Good news.... It does.  Only a "ditch" is not a death.   

EagleDNY describes exactly why bailing from bombers should always count as a death.  If you're too ADD to bring your bombers home, then don't fly them.  If you "have to bring another load ASAP", then bring more friends.

[icepac]

This thread is a great dweeb detector.

BEEP!......it just went off.

[Guppy35]

Is this some new strategy? Is there some bennefit to it?

Ran into this 3 times this morning, looks as though bailing from 5K out  seems to nullify even proxies, is this true?
I usually don't fly in the morning, can't say I've knowingly run in to this in the MA yet. I'ts kind of irritating to climb up to the stratoshere (cause NOTHING else is goin on) only to have them bail. I would think it would be irritating for the "bailer" also, to have climbed that high wasting all that time?


I don't get it?



JUGgler

It's a new variation of the 'see the low Jug" and auger method I've perfected already.  It's cause yer so intimidating JUGgler

[SunBat]

I bailed one time when I was being chased by three spits and I was in an oiled P-51B. I popped my chute and got a perfect rotation and shot all three of them in the cockpit with my .45. The unfortunate thing was I was hacked into Spek's computer at the time and therefore could not find the film afterword.  It was awesome though. Trust me.

[SeeWolf]

 

I cannot understand the bailers. It takes a lot away from the sim.  

When I came over to Aces High I decided that all that dweebery would not follow me.

"Nay!" they cried. "Thou art Dweebs still!"...The Book of Dweeb

[grizz441]

I bailed one time when I was being chased by three spits and I was in an oiled P-51B. I popped my chute and got a perfect rotation and shot all three of them in the cockpit with my .45. The unfortunate thing was I was hacked into Spek's computer at the time and therefore could not find the film afterword.  It was awesome though. Trust me.

If this film is ever found and posted (Which is unlikely knowing how Spek's harddrive is), no other film should ever be posted ever again, EVER.  Unless of course, someone caps 4 spits in a similar fashion.

[dirtdart]

I bailed one time when I was being chased by three spits and I was in an oiled P-51B. I popped my chute and got a perfect rotation and shot all three of them in the cockpit with my .45. The unfortunate thing was I was hacked into Spek's computer at the time and therefore could not find the film afterword.  It was awesome though. Trust me.

And the sleeping dog gets kicked in the ribs..... 

[Strip]

And the sleeping dog gets kicked in the ribs..... 

Its usually the easiest target....

 

Strip

[Shuffler]

You just have to laugh at them. They are not fighter pilots, and when they bomb n bail you find they are not bomber pilots either.

Maybe they are actually Tower Maintenance crews.