Science - Cold Fusion is it possible?

[33Vortex]

Yeah, if you are not prepared to re-evaluate previously known "laws" when new test results defy them, it is not science you are occupied with but religion.

Some people really need to get their head out of their arse. But that's beside the point, yes I agree it remains to be seen if this is indeed as good as they claim it to be. I'm just excited about these events unfolding and wanted to drag it out for discussion here.

[mechanic]

Yeah, if you are not prepared to re-evaluate previously known "laws" when new test results defy them, it is not science you are occupied with but religion.
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Well said.

 

[bozon]

Yeh right... a black box that is claimed to produce energy, which nobody knows how it works or is allowed to test it - and people are surprised that nobody take these guys seriously. I swear that I saw Uri Geller bend spoons and there were no wires coming out of those either. A guys I know who has a room-mate whose sister dated Uri Geller's drivers says it is all true.

The may be onto some absolute amazing discovery, but they sure do not act like it. Since it not "seeing is believing". When the device is thoroughly tested and there is half an explanation to what is going in there I will believe it.

[33Vortex]

Yeh right... a black box that is claimed to produce energy, which nobody knows how it works or is allowed to test it - and people are surprised that nobody take these guys seriously. I swear that I saw Uri Geller bend spoons and there were no wires coming out of those either. A guys I know who has a room-mate whose sister dated Uri Geller's drivers says it is all true.

The may be onto some absolute amazing discovery, but they sure do not act like it. Since it not "seeing is believing". When the device is thoroughly tested and there is half an explanation to what is going in there I will believe it.

The device has been tested and the energy output and input measured as well as the device itself weighed before and after the open tests. None of the observing scientists came up with contradicting information that would question Rossi's claims. The only limitation was that the device itself is not opened, because he said he did not want to reveal the inside until the patent is accepted.

There is something going on with this project and it may not be cold fusion but it's a new way to produce energy nevertheless.

[Melvin]

The device has been tested and the energy output and input measured as well as the device itself weighed before and after the open tests. None of the observing scientists came up with contradicting information that would question Rossi's claims. The only limitation was that the device itself is not opened, because he said he did not want to reveal the inside until the patent is accepted.

There is something going on with this project and it may not be cold fusion but it's a new way to produce energy nevertheless.

^^ This

What I found interesting, and somewhat disturbing, was the fact that the radiological expert found no signs of decay. In my uneducated mind, one would think that there would be some measurable amount of radiation due to Beta decay.

Help me to understand this please.

[bozon]

If there was a radiation then it would not have been cold fusion

Beta decay is much easier to control than other forms of radiation. It produces an electron and charged particles can be easily (OK, relatively) controlled by electro-magnetic fields. This is in contrast to emission of gamma and neutrons which penetrate most materials very easily and are unaffected by EM fields.

The only limitation was that the device itself is not opened, because he said he did not want to reveal the inside until the patent is accepted.

This is what I would expect from someone who developed a revolutionary device for removing women facial hair, not from someone who just made the biggest technological advancement since electricity. Do you really think that the patent office would have this laying on the desk in the backlog of applications?
I may be wrong but the whole business is very suspicious.

[RTHolmes]

ooo goody its the latest free energy scam!


of course we wont need it because everything will soon be powered by Steorn's Orbos ...

[FTJR]

Scam? Maybe, but who/what are the Swedish Skeptics Society? Apparently they've just validated it. Also there is a plant being built in Greece.

So if its a scam or its real, we'll find out soon enough.

[moot]

It certainly would reveal just what LENR is and pull the carpet from under the feet of any other scammers like Blacklightpower that gobble millions of $$ for no result.

[33Vortex]

I'm thinking that whether it's real or not has nothing to do with if it'll make it to the market or not. Big business have their ways of suppressing small business, nice ways and then there are not so nice ways. Even killing people is not a problem. So all you science moralists who believe the "laws" are as true as daylight I wonder what you really are thinking.

Geordani Bruno wrote some ~415 years ago that the universe is infinite and populated by thousands of galaxies. For that he was burned at the stake by the Catholic Church in the year 1600 after years of imprisonment. So howcome we know of and remember Copernicus and Galilei, who mistakenly left the sun the center of the universe but not Geordani Bruno who saw the infinite? It would be foolish to claim to have all the answers, but I can offer you some food for thought. Those who control the present, also control the past.

[RTHolmes]

scientific moralists

 

[33Vortex]

I applaud your effort, but not everyone will understand and I never expect it.

[mechanic]

I like your way of thinking Vortex, you really get 'it'. You use your own mind to think things through and come to conclusions. Most people just assume they are enlightened because they study other's work and possibly add a little experimental evidence of their own on to it. But to be truly enlightened one must think for themself from the ground up. Which you clearly do. I enjoy reading your posts very much sir, thank you. I could learn alot from you.

[moot]

So all you science moralists who believe the "laws" are as true as daylight

Point em out.

[RTHolmes]

I applaud your effort, but not everyone will understand and I never expect it.

I'm just not familiar with the term. they sound a weird bunch.