i think ford finally topped everyone

[dedalos]

clutch fans draw less than 2hp i think. if there's a fluid reservoir, then there's also a fluid pump, which will also draw horsepower.

And here is the problem with Detroit.  We really need 2hp to drive a fun?    How match do the power windows need? 

[PJ_Godzilla]

Got you beat Cap.

2011 Silverado 2500/3500 HD Duramax diesel. Has a resovoir for "Emmision reduction fluid". This is injected into the exhaust stream post catalyst to capture particulates.

Thats right, myth has become reality.

Muffler Fluid  

It's probably urea. That's right - your emission reduction fluid is peese. In GM's defense, that's a regulatory compliance action, IIRC.

Otherwise, I won't defend any Ford design practices that date back to the "that" era. Hurricane J****** was indefensible (read the story of his involvement with Polaroid). I've heard of dumber things here on the inside but will not divulge them here.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Urea is used in almost all euro diesels. VolksWagen, MB, Audi, BMW all use some form of 'bluetec' diesels which inject urea to the exhaust. Confusingly enough my Jeep uses the same exact engine as Mercedes Benz E/S/G/M 320 cdi bluetec except that the Jeep doesn't have the bluetec system. It still passes emissions control easily.

[PJ_Godzilla]

Urea is used in almost all euro diesels. VolksWagen, MB, Audi, BMW all use some form of 'bluetec' diesels which inject urea to the exhaust. Confusingly enough my Jeep uses the same exact engine as Mercedes Benz E/S/G/M 320 cdi bluetec except that the Jeep doesn't have the bluetec system. It still passes emissions control easily.

I'll check this but I suspect it's because you don't have a particulate reg in force. I think the CARB rules went into effect in 1/2010. Usually the northeast follows some time thereafter. Not sure where you live but it's likely you don't have a reg on the matter. Europe does, imj.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

I'll check this but I suspect it's because you don't have a particulate reg in force. I think the CARB rules went into effect in 1/2010. Usually the northeast follows some time thereafter. Not sure where you live but it's likely you don't have a reg on the matter. Europe does, imj.

I live in northern europe, Finland.

[icepac]

If that car had hydroboost replacing the brake booster, I would understand why they decided to use two separate fluid paths.

Toyota uses a filter in thier system but standard brake boosters.

I pull the MK8 engines all the time because they are superior starting point for a high HP build.

I will go the junkyard, pull one and quickly take off the heads and pan to check bores and bottom end.

If it's good, then I just paid 250 bucks for an engine that can make easily 500hp for the next 10 years worth of driving with no modifications other than what kind of forced induction I choose and tuning choices.

[CAP1]

And here is the problem with Detroit.  We really need 2hp to drive a fun?    How match do the power windows need? 

well...in theri defense, horsepower takes fuel.....and with govt. regs, they're all trying to squeeze every ounce they can.

 that being said...i think it takes more power to drive the pump than it did to spin the fan......

[PJ_Godzilla]

I live in northern europe, Finland.

Interesting... and you're sure you've got a particulate requirement? I ask because if I take your argument as given, you've got the same engine as the Mercedes less the emmission equip in question yet you still pass emissions. This means that either:
1. your standard is differnet from the standard for which the Mercedes system was developed
or,
2. Mercedes has added cost for no reason
or,
3. you've misstated
or,
4. some combination of the above...

I think we can probably rule out #2 under Occam's razor. Trust me, this industry is quite sensitive to needless cost. Sometimes this leads to apparent paradoxes - like a wiring harness/loom that includes fittings for options you don't have. It's a cost of complexity save even as its partially offset with a material cost hit.

I'll see what I can find, as time permits.

[Shuffler]

Got you beat Cap.

2011 Silverado 2500/3500 HD Duramax diesel. Has a resovoir for "Emmision reduction fluid". This is injected into the exhaust stream post catalyst to capture particulates.

Thats right, myth has become reality.

Muffler Fluid 

Ford also has that. It is filled with a fluid made from urine.

[BowHTR]

for stupidity that is.

 i just finished replacing the pcv elbow that they;ve graciously placed underneath the lower intake manifold(3.0L DOHC). you know,....the same elbow that's almost ALWAYS been a problem on their pcv systems for at least the last 10 years? 'cept now, it takes about 2.5 hours to replace it, about $120 or so worth of new gaskets, and some skinned knuckles.

 as i was reassembling the intakes, plugging in the sensors, reconnecting the egr, etc., i noticed that it looked to have 2 power steering fluid reservoirs.
 i was wrong. i have now seen stupid(in my opinion anyway) that i truly believe will be nearly impossible to top.


 ladies and gentlemen..........i present to you........

 The 2001 Lincoln LS.

 it has fan fluid. 

this reminds me, im running low on blinker fluid

[CAP1]

this reminds me, im running low on blinker fluid

give em time.

customer: my car has a check engine light on. can you check it out?
me: sure can.

 later in the day..

me: ok....you've got a code for coolant temp high. i checked everything, and your fan fluid is low.
customer:...

[PJ_Godzilla]

Ford also has that. It is filled with a fluid made from urine.

right... the urea tank.

[CAP1]

Ford also has that. It is filled with a fluid made from urine.

well..the fords that have that fluid made from urine are the mustangs.

 see? what it is, is that ya get some yahoo that thinks they know how to drive, and thinks they know what a fast car is, and they test drive one of these.
 these things are so much faster and better handling than these people think they are, that they scare the piss out of them. thus, the car is full of fluid made from urine.