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Offline tf15pin

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Coaxial MG dispersion
« on: April 21, 2011, 07:35:09 AM »
Awhile back they added vibration and bullet dispersion to the mgs on gvs; this makes sense for flexible mounts like pintle guns but less sense for rigid mounts like the coaxial mg and hull mg. What type of dispersion would you expect from a rigid mount compared to a flexible mount?

Offline SDGhalo

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Re: Coaxial MG dispersion
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2011, 10:13:23 AM »
i think none really  because overseas with the LAV III's we fired our C6  Coax GPMG and the impact area was a really tight grouping.

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Re: Coaxial MG dispersion
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2011, 08:19:30 PM »
FM 3-22.68  HEADQUARTERS FM 3-22.68 DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY CREW-SERVED MACHINE GUNS, 5.56-mm AND 7.62-mm

5-3. CONE OF FIRE When several rounds are fired in a burst from any machine gun, each round takes a slightly different trajectory. The pattern these rounds form on the way to the target is called a cone of fire (Figure 5-2, page 5-2). This pattern is caused primarily by vibration of the machine gun and variations in ammunition and atmospheric conditions.


FM 3-22.68 5-2 5-4. BEATEN ZONE The beaten zone (Figure 5-2) is the elliptical pattern formed by the rounds striking the ground or the target. The size and shape of the beaten zone changes when the range to the target changes or when the machine gun is fired on different types of terrain. On uniformly sloping or level terrain, the beaten zone is long and narrow. As the range to the target increases, the beaten zone becomes shorter and wider. When fire is delivered on terrain sloping down and away from the machine gun, the beaten zone becomes longer. When fire is delivered on rising terrain, the beaten zone becomes shorter. The terrain has little effect on the width of the beaten zone.

The same can be said for the Bradley Fighting Vehicle as with the LAV's.  They have a secure mount and this helps limit the dispersion of the rounds.  But no matter how secure the mount is vibration will effect the dispersion of the rounds.
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Offline icepac

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Re: Coaxial MG dispersion
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2011, 10:31:53 PM »
I think the LTV gun was modeled after Don Knotts.

Offline mtnman

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Re: Coaxial MG dispersion
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2011, 08:27:43 PM »
Awhile back they added vibration and bullet dispersion to the mgs on gvs; this makes sense for flexible mounts like pintle guns but less sense for rigid mounts like the coaxial mg and hull mg. What type of dispersion would you expect from a rigid mount compared to a flexible mount?

Even if the gun is clamped down absolutely rigid, you'll still get a varying amount of dispersion.

Differences between the rounds.  Differences between the way the rounds lay in the chamber (they're all undersized to ensure they'll fit, which means the bullet travels a bit before it hits the rifling, and when it hits the rifling it's a bit nose-down).  Barrel vibration.  Whether the barrel is free-floating or not, and how rigidly its connected to the action.  How much slop is in the action.

When I used to run a rifle range we would clamp rifles in holders mounted to steel beam, so that we could fire the rifle, adjust the sights to the hole in the target, and be "done" (we had a lot of rifles to check zero on).  Even with them clamped securely, there was a surprising amount of variability between "identical" rifles, and ammo (especially from one factory-loaded brand of ammo to the next).  Even within a brand, different "flavors" will group differently out of the same rifle, and some rifles prefer one flavor over another.
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Offline tf15pin

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Re: Coaxial MG dispersion
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2011, 05:31:11 PM »
I am glad to see this implemented. Now the main gun sights just need the mg scale added and I will have my range finder completed.