2011 Car Of The Year???

[CAP1]

80%?? Not likely here in Texas. Just greater travel lengths and time. Many folks in Texas drive 100 miles to work and back.

Standard mileage is 12000 to 15000 per year. It is greater here.

Maybe your info would be close where things are more congested.

For the Grandma driving to bingo and the store once a week it may be great. For the city dweller it may be just the ticket.

For most all the folks I personally know...... no way.

If it works for you good deal.

mileage doesn't vary that much. here in south jersey, there are quite a few people that work in new york city. long trip. long time sitting waiting in traffic to cross the george washington bridge. then they get to deal with all of the nyc congestion.

 a friend of mine works at mcguire afb. she does about 90 miles a day just for work......and then if she's plugged in up there, she'd be charging her car on the taxpayers dime, which i'm sure would open up a whole new can of worms.

[CAP1]

and because of that, we should all be driving F250s     God forbid we accept having others do anything different that what our little universe does.

 You do understand that grandmas driving to bingo and city dwellers are the ones that need these things right?  You do understand that big cities is where emissions are a problem right?  If you are a farmer, electric may not be for you (but you are the minority).  If you drive 100 miles to work you should be thankful that you may have the option to drive an electric if you choose to.

Can someone explain to me why people hate the idea so much?

let em drive what they want......just don't try to push crap on the rest of us.

 when they're good, reasonable, and worth it, i'll be one of the first in line to buy one.

[Shuffler]

and because of that, we should all be driving F250s     God forbid we accept having others do anything different that what our little universe does.

 You do understand that grandmas driving to bingo and city dwellers are the ones that need these things right?  You do understand that big cities is where emissions are a problem right?  If you are a farmer, electric may not be for you (but you are the minority).  If you drive 100 miles to work you should be thankful that you may have the option to drive an electric if you choose to.

Can someone explain to me why people hate the idea so much?

Emissions are only a problem in cities under certain types of weather patterns. The emmisions from all the vehicles in the US pails in comparison to emmissions from plants.

I never said I hate the idea of electric cars. They are just not for me.

.... and as I already stated... if it works for you good. I do see changes in electrical charges. They will, at some time, put a tax on electricity above and beyond what taxes you pay now. This will supplant the taxes on fuel for road and bridge repair. The taxes on fuel are high. I see no reason why they won't be high on electricity.

These are all just points being made. Use what works for you as long as I don't have to pay for it.


I drive a Chevy 2500 HD Crew Diesel, wife drives a Tahoe, oldest daughter a Tahoe.... youngest daughter a camaro.

[dedalos]

let em drive what they want......just don't try to push crap on the rest of us.

 when they're good, reasonable, and worth it, i'll be one of the first in line to buy one.

Hmmm, someone pushed an electric on you?  Sounds more like someone else is doing the pushing here.

[CAP1]

Hmmm, someone pushed an electric on you?  Sounds more like someone else is doing the pushing here.

yea, 'cause we all know one has to push someone to do what they want. 

[Tigger29]

I drive a Chevy 2500 HD Crew Diesel, wife drives a Tahoe, oldest daughter a Tahoe.... youngest daughter a camaro.

Holy smokes!  I'd sure hate to pay your gas card bill every month!

Really though if you can afford it and you don't mind paying to fuel up those vehicles then by all means do it!  I have nothing against that.

But on the other hand, do you really need those vehicles?  I mean your Diesel truck I'm sure gets used a lot and pays for itself and therefore can not be replaced, but do your wife and oldest daughter really need a Tahoe?  Personally if it were up to me, my wife would be driving a minivan or a wagon (I refuse to use the term "Crossover"), and my daughters would have econo-boxes... maybe a Cobolt or a Cruze.  (Actually mine would probably have a different brand but you're obviously a Chevy guy so I'll leave it at that).

Anyway I'm not saying this to try to push anything on you or to point fingers or anything.. after all it's your decision to make, I'm just saying.. in my case I would be GLAD to put the gasoline savings alone to better use by driving more efficient vehicles.  Heck, it would probably pay for my vacation every year!

[CAP1]

Holy smokes!  I'd sure hate to pay your gas card bill every month!

Really though if you can afford it and you don't mind paying to fuel up those vehicles then by all means do it!  I have nothing against that.

But on the other hand, do you really need those vehicles?  I mean your Diesel truck I'm sure gets used a lot and pays for itself and therefore can not be replaced, but do your wife and oldest daughter really need a Tahoe?  Personally if it were up to me, my wife would be driving a minivan or a wagon (I refuse to use the term "Crossover"), and my daughters would have econo-boxes... maybe a Cobolt or a Cruze.  (Actually mine would probably have a different brand but you're obviously a Chevy guy so I'll leave it at that).

Anyway I'm not saying this to try to push anything on you or to point fingers or anything.. after all it's your decision to make, I'm just saying.. in my case I would be GLAD to put the gasoline savings alone to better use by driving more efficient vehicles.  Heck, it would probably pay for my vacation every year!

you use a card to pay for your gas? that is a small(admittedly very small) part of the problem with constantly rising prices.

 the seller pays a fee every time your card is swiped. if it won't swipe, and he has to manually enter the numbers, he's charged more. that is figured into the cost. sometimes it's not...you can tell by the stations that charge more for a card than for cash.

 tahoes aren't as bad on gas as one would think, and some minivans aren't as good on gas as one would think. the camaro....check some other threads.......that thing probably gets about 27 mpg or so, which is pretty dam good for a 4,000 pound car.

[dedalos]

you use a card to pay for your gas? that is a small(admittedly very small) part of the problem with constantly rising prices.

 the seller pays a fee every time your card is swiped. if it won't swipe, and he has to manually enter the numbers, he's charged more. that is figured into the cost. sometimes it's not...you can tell by the stations that charge more for a card than for cash.

 tahoes aren't as bad on gas as one would think, and some minivans aren't as good on gas as one would think. the camaro....check some other threads.......that thing probably gets about 27 mpg or so, which is pretty dam good for a 4,000 pound car.

    

[Shuffler]

Holy smokes!  I'd sure hate to pay your gas card bill every month!

Really though if you can afford it and you don't mind paying to fuel up those vehicles then by all means do it!  I have nothing against that.

But on the other hand, do you really need those vehicles?  I mean your Diesel truck I'm sure gets used a lot and pays for itself and therefore can not be replaced, but do your wife and oldest daughter really need a Tahoe?  Personally if it were up to me, my wife would be driving a minivan or a wagon (I refuse to use the term "Crossover"), and my daughters would have econo-boxes... maybe a Cobolt or a Cruze.  (Actually mine would probably have a different brand but you're obviously a Chevy guy so I'll leave it at that).

Anyway I'm not saying this to try to push anything on you or to point fingers or anything.. after all it's your decision to make, I'm just saying.. in my case I would be GLAD to put the gasoline savings alone to better use by driving more efficient vehicles.  Heck, it would probably pay for my vacation every year!

lol Oldest daughter is out on here own and married. She has 4 daughters of her own. Her husband drives my ex red Z71. He bought it from me.

My wife doesn't really need a Tahoe except when we get the grandkids. She is considering buying a camaro till our youngest finishes A&M and gets married. At which time she is looking for more grandkids. haha.

My Crew has plenty of room but sits up high with the 6" lift. A little harder to load the kids in. Although the two older, 10 and 12,  ones jump right in.

 I pay for my vacation just fine when I get free time for one. I like it simple. Pull the 32 footer up to the Guadalupe and get my kayak out. Then I'm saving fuel.

[RTHolmes]

Can someone explain to me why people hate the idea so much?

same reason that people hated the idea of the car so much when it arrived. plus manipulation by powerful, well funded lobbying groups.

[saggs]

same reason that people hated the idea of the car so much when it arrived. plus manipulation by powerful, well funded lobbying groups.

I don't hate the idea (read my previous post) I'm just being realistic.

Electric car technology has not yet reached a level where it is at all practical for anyone living in a rural area, or anyone who likes road trips, or anyone who tows or hauls.  Nor is the infrastructure (power generation and grid) in place to support electric cars.

For people who live in metropolis areas, and drive less then 150 miles a day, and have reliable power, electric cars sound like a great idea, and I mean that sincerely, I think cars like the Leaf fit that niche perfectly, and I hope they continue to improve them.

But for the rest of us, who live in rural areas, with unreliable power service, who like to take road trips, and have need of pickups that can tow and haul...  the current electric cars are not practical or useful at all.  Of course they will improve over time, but will there ever be an electric 1 ton pickup, that can tow 12,000 lbs, go 500 miles between charges and recharge in 5 minutes????

Also, if you think for a second that the "green" lobby that is pushing electric cars is less manipulative and powerful, or less well funded as the oil lobby you're very much deceiving yourself.

And to get back to the topic of this thread.  The idea that a car with an as yet unproven design, has very serious limits to it's practicality and fills such a very, very small niche of the market wins "Car of the Year" does seem to me to smack of a political agenda.

[Tigger29]

you use a card to pay for your gas? that is a small(admittedly very small) part of the problem with constantly rising prices.

You're not serious, are you?  You didn't pick on up how that was a 'Figure of speech'?

[Tigger29]

I don't hate the idea (read my previous post) I'm just being realistic.

Electric car technology has not yet reached a level where it is at all practical for anyone living in a rural area, or anyone who likes road trips, or anyone who tows or hauls.  Nor is the infrastructure (power generation and grid) in place to support electric cars.

For people who live in metropolis areas, and drive less then 150 miles a day, and have reliable power, electric cars sound like a great idea, and I mean that sincerely, I think cars like the Leaf fit that niche perfectly, and I hope they continue to improve them.

But for the rest of us, who live in rural areas, with unreliable power service, who like to take road trips, and have need of pickups that can tow and haul...  the current electric cars are not practical or useful at all.  Of course they will improve over time, but will there ever be an electric 1 ton pickup, that can tow 12,000 lbs, go 500 miles between charges and recharge in 5 minutes????

Also, if you think for a second that the "green" lobby that is pushing electric cars is less manipulative and powerful, or less well funded as the oil lobby you're very much deceiving yourself.

And to get back to the topic of this thread.  The idea that a car with an as yet unproven design, that fills such a very, very small niche of the market wins "Car of the Year" does seem to me to smack of a political agenda.

And that's my point exactly... that vast majority of people live in populated Urban areas and drive less than 150 miles a day.  I never said an electric car would fit everyone's needs.. just the majority.  I don't think people in rural areas quite understand the concentration of people in the cities.

[CAP1]

You're not serious, are you?  You didn't pick on up how that was a 'Figure of speech'?

yea i did......i just wanted to toss that in there, because my processing company just raised my rates, and i'm pissed.

 i'll be putting up a sign offering discounts for cash or checks in the extreme near future.

[CAP1]

And that's my point exactly... that vast majority of people live in populated Urban areas and drive less than 150 miles a day.  I never said an electric car would fit everyone's needs.. just the majority.  I don't think people in rural areas quite understand the concentration of people in the cities.

i spend a lot of time in center city philly. i fully understand the concentration.