i shouldn't do this

[MiloMorai]

Back in the day would stop light drag race American muscle cars and beat them with my little ole Yamaha 100cc Twin Jet. Well, that would be for the first 100'.

[icepac]

We gave up nothing to go 250....we use the same setup on road courses.

If we were to make it a 1/4 mile car, we would have to give up a lot.

Actually, we run shorter gearing than stock and still can return 20+mpg on the highway.

[STXAce8]

Fix
Or
Repair
Daily

[Banshee7]

Fix
Or
Repair
Dayly

F.A.I.L.


I'd even put my F-150 up against any Camaro or other Government Motors vehicle

[Reaper90]

Ya know, the new Mustangs aren't half bad, and I kinda dig the new Challengers too (although they really need to go on a diet). If I was in buyer mode I'd probably jump for a new Camaro SS before either though, but that's just 'cause I'm a "Chevy guy" mmmm gotta love a 427 Chevy motor  


But on racing heritage and history, Ford does have the edge..... Drag racing and NAPCAR don't count, one doesn't turn at all, the other doesn't turn but one way, and any proper race driver will tell you if you don't turn left and right you're not really racing, you're just turning in circles.  

I mean, who can argue with the Cobra -> Cobra Daytona Coupe -> GT40 Mk I/II -> GT40 Mk IV heritage?

Cobra 289


Cobra Daytona Coupe


GT40 Mk I


GT40 Mk II


GT40 Mk IV (Only American car with an overall win at Le Mans 24 Hours)


That's all the history you need, IMHO. They coulda stopped at 1969. Enzo Ferrari got his backside handed to him by Ford in the late '60's, then Porsche took up where Ford left off, and old Enzo never took the Ferrari factory back to sports cars with a full works team after that, and they haven't since.

But don't discount Chevy's heritage..... Corvette was taking it to Europe before Ford....


1957 Corvette SS Le Mans racer (Zora Arkus Duntov behind the wheel)


1960 Cunningham Corvette team at Le Mans.... #3 car class winner

How about a...


'63 Corvette Grand Sport racer (the car that Duntov secretly developed just to crush the Cobras, and they did CRUSH them, until GM management found about them and ordered the cars destroyed. Thank goodness he sold them off instead of having them destroyed, and they survive to this day),

or how about a '69 L88 427 Corvette racer?



I'd love to have been there to see this 1000 hp beast smoking it down the Mulsanne Straight at 240+ mph


Greenwood Corvette

stroll through the '80's where C4 Corvettes completely dominated racing in the Playboy Cup, Escort Endurance Series, SCCA World Challenge, etc. Corvettes were so dominant that after winning every single race for several seasons (85-87) over their competition from Nissan, Porsche and Lotus, they were banned from the series to form their own series, the Corvette Challenge series.



and then we come to present day....

and the Corvette owns all!




 

Of course, I'm biased!  

[Reaper90]

I'd even put my F-150 up against any Camaro or other Government Motors vehicle

 

In what category?

On a racetrack I'd say it's likely an F150 of any flavor is gonna get lapped repeatedly by a Cobalt SS, much less a Camaro or Corvette. 

[CAP1]

your corvette post is very good, and VERY nicely done. 'specially with the pictures.

 the corvette has always been in a class of its own though. 

[Babalonian]

Glad I opted for my CAP repelant today by taking the office's Ford F-150 '01 Lariat. 

[Reaper90]

the corvette has always been in a class of its own though.  

You know, you're right there. I should say I'm a Corvette guy, not a Chevy guy......

Currently I'm actually trying to rid myself of a 2004 GMC Yukon Denali and a 2004 Chevy Suburban Z71.... both will find a new owner for thousands under NADA, hopefully sooner rather than later..... and quite frankly I don't see me owning anything GM other than a Corvette ever again.

The Denali has actually been bulletproof and tough as a Tiger tank, but the '99 Yukon it replaced thought it was made by Trabant, and actually made British cars look very very reliable.  

The Suburban has only had a few issues, but they've started coming on more commonly now with age and mileage. Warranty is out and I can't keep fixing things over and over.

GM powertrain = awesomeness, some of the best in the business.

GM Everything else (interiors, electrical, etc) = hit or miss at best. You may get one that stays together and nothing ever breaks, or you may get one like every other one I've owned that seems to find new and creative ways to fall apart before your very eyes.

[Reaper90]

another thought on Corvette being in a class by itself, I was really disappointed with how Ford handled the introduction and marketing of the Ford GT a few years ago, actually actively trying to keep teams from racing it, and ultimately killing it off with a very unceremoneous death after a very troubled life.

That coupled with the Viper being killed off by Dodge, and the Corvette is once again the only "real" American sports car.

 

R.I.P.


Ford GT


and Viper  

[CAP1]

You know, you're right there. I should say I'm a Corvette guy, not a Chevy guy......

Currently I'm actually trying to rid myself of a 2004 GMC Yukon Denali and a 2004 Chevy Suburban Z71.... both will find a new owner for thousands under NADA, hopefully sooner rather than later..... and quite frankly I don't see me owning anything GM other than a Corvette ever again.

The Denali has actually been bulletproof and tough as a Tiger tank, but the '99 Yukon it replaced thought it was made by Trabant, and actually made British cars look very very reliable.  

The Suburban has only had a few issues, but they've started coming on more commonly now with age and mileage. Warranty is out and I can't keep fixing things over and over.

GM powertrain = awesomeness, some of the best in the business.

GM Everything else (interiors, electrical, etc) = hit or miss at best. You may get one that stays together and nothing ever breaks, or you may get one like every other one I've owned that seems to find new and creative ways to fall apart before your very eyes.

 in the past, i've liked gm's trucks. mostly mid/late 60's to early 70's pickups. i've liked the way they drove better then the ford trucks from that era.
 if i was going to own anything gm(and i have) it's be pickups from that ear, a 60's camaro, or a new vette. not much else from gm "floats my boat", although i don't hate any of htem.

 right now, i'm driving a dodge dakota. it's nice, although kinda useless as a pickup to be honest. it can't carry much weight, and it's not a crew cab, so i can only fit me +1 inside.
 on the plus side, it looks and sounds cool, and is pretty quick for a truck...although not up to what i'd normally expect from a 318.

 the fairmont i've mentioned before, may well find itself getting trailered to the road course down at milleville airport.

 if i can make things work like i'd like them to......i'll be the proud owner of a 2011 gt premium sometime near the end of the year. was gonna go with lime green('cause that's what color my first car...a 67 coupe mustang was), but ford's discontinued that color again. the kona blue kicks arse though.

 i've noticed in the gm suv's with the inline 6 cylinder...i think it's the 4.2L? they seem VERY sensitive to oil..as in keeping it changed, and don't DARE put the wrong weight in it. those engines also seem to eat up the VVT solenoids. i've replaced quite a few of them.

[CAP1]

another thought on Corvette being in a class by itself, I was really disappointed with how Ford handled the introduction and marketing of the Ford GT a few years ago, actually actively trying to keep teams from racing it, and ultimately killing it off with a very unceremoneous death after a very troubled life.

That coupled with the Viper being killed off by Dodge, and the Corvette is once again the only "real" American sports car.

 

R.I.P.

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Ford GT

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and Viper  

i never knew ford effed up like that with the gt. i remember being pretty excited over it when i saw it come out.

 a friend of mine almost bought one.......but he liked the 1200hp viper better, so he got that.

[Plawranc]

If I said. I was neutral, and totally impartial.



Id be lying 

[Spikes]

F.A.I.L.


I'd even put my F-150 up against any Camaro or other Government Motors vehicle

My 2500HD? Lets go

[MarineUS]

I remember doing a comparison on the 3 when they were fresh.
This video sums it up. (NOTE: I'm a dodge guy.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o3p8fZZQM8