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Offline USBP1969

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A6M3
« on: April 26, 2011, 08:08:49 PM »
Was happy to see the A6M3 added to the stable, but when I flew it the roll rate is not what I had experienced in other flight sims over the years.  The A6M3, because of its clipped wings always exhibited a faster roll rate that its brothers, the A6M2 and A6M5. What I expected was much like the Spit-16 roll rate that is snappier than than the full length winded versions.

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Re: A6M3
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2011, 09:51:20 PM »
What other flight sims?
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Re: A6M3
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2011, 11:28:44 PM »
Well, having just spent an hour almost dodging constant attackers from higher alts with more speed in the Titanic Tuesday arena, I can say it's pretty snappy and slower speeds.


I was a bit surprised by the nasty handling traits it has. It snap-stalled inverted like a 190 more than once (shouldn't do that IMO) and it was squirrelly left and right even with minor adjustments. Felt more like the I-16 than the A6M2 it should resemble, but definitely fun.

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Re: A6M3
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2011, 02:50:08 PM »
It snap-stalled inverted like a 190 more than once (shouldn't do that IMO)

Based on what?
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Re: A6M3
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2011, 04:39:41 PM »
Based on what?

he was a ww2 a6m3 ace
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Re: A6M3
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2011, 06:18:28 PM »
Well, having just spent an hour almost dodging constant attackers from higher alts with more speed in the Titanic Tuesday arena, I can say it's pretty snappy and slower speeds.


I was a bit surprised by the nasty handling traits it has. It snap-stalled inverted like a 190 more than once (shouldn't do that IMO) and it was squirrelly left and right even with minor adjustments. Felt more like the I-16 than the A6M2 it should resemble, but definitely fun.

I don't know...I flew it for a while and the thing performed insanely awesome, I cant remember any nasty stalls as you describe....That don't necessarily mean it didn't happen for you.

I was thoroughly impressed...just wish they didn't light a fire so easy.....but then again that would be wrong so I like it just fine.

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2011, 06:51:43 PM »
Based on what?
he was a ww2 a6m3 ace

Let me interpret for the reading comprehension impaired.

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I was flying the A6M3 in the Titanic Tuesday Arena and I was a bit surprised by the nasty handling traits it has. It snap-stalled inverted like a 190 more than once (shouldn't do that IMO) and it was squirrelly left and right even with minor adjustments

I would say it's based on Krusty's experience flying it in the Arena on Tuesday.

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Re: A6M3
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2011, 10:08:29 PM »
In regards to the other flight sims:

They were:  Fighter Ace II & WarBirds.  The former is history, but the A6M3 still should be in WarBirds.

As stated in my first post, the clipped winged versions tend to have a faster roll rate. The examples in AH are the Spit-XIV Vs the Spit-XVI and the P-47M Vs the P-47N to a lessor degree.

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Re: A6M3
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2011, 11:40:15 PM »
In regards to the other flight sims:

They were:  Fighter Ace II & WarBirds.  The former is history, but the A6M3 still should be in WarBirds.

As stated in my first post, the clipped winged versions tend to have a faster roll rate. The examples in AH are the Spit-XIV Vs the Spit-XVI and the P-47M Vs the P-47N to a lessor degree.

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err, the spit14 and spit16 arent the same airframe. The spit9 and spit16 would be more accurate
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Re: A6M3
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2011, 11:53:36 PM »
Let me interpret for the reading comprehension impaired.

I would say it's based on Krusty's experience flying it in the Arena on Tuesday.

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Okay, let me narrow it a bit... 
(shouldn't do that IMO)

My point, which I obviously failed to articulate, is "on what does Krusty base his opinion, that the A6M3 shouldn't "snap stall inverted like a 190".  There are perfectly good reasons why the A6M3 won't have as good a low-speed, high-alpha performance as the A6M2 or A6M5.  I can think of three things straight off the bat.

And, my post wasn't made to call Krusty out, merely to challenge the basis of his opinion.
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Re: A6M3
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2011, 12:19:53 AM »
Stoney, just because a wingtip is squared off doesn't mean it snap-stalls like the over-loaded Fw190. You can have bad low-speed handling WITHOUT such behaviors. See the P-39 for example Mushes really bad, lacks power, doesn't snap-stall inverted, now does it? On the A6M3 the wing LOADING is still very light, as evidenced by the weight being barely 200lbs more than the A6M2, the climb rate being better (in-game) than the A6M5, and the turn radius being between the two. The overall performance indicates a plane with very light handling. Instead it's dipping wings like the VERY nasty stalls of the C202 and the Fw190. The kind where you get slow and try to pull a G or two and find yourself instantly upside down? Are you familiar with those? I even got the alternating wingtip stalls that I hadn't seen in most planes since before the airflow recode.

I think it's a pretty obvious statement to say that the model 32 shouldn't do that. It's a zero. It shouldn't do it any more than the spit16 should. They both come from families of planes with VERY docile and forgiving stall characteristics, and if you really really try you can put them in a bad position, but this was a very simple chop throttle and bank 90 degrees and pull up evasive.

It was not indicative of the A6M flight modeling thus far. It was, as I mentioned, more like a I-16 in squirrelyness than it was like a modified A6M. This is based on over 10 years of the flight model HTC built for the other zekes as well as pilot commentary LACKING such comments about it being a nasty stalling unstable disaster.

I'm going to chalk that all up to public knowledge, readily avilable info, personal experience, and pattern recognition up to this point in history. THAT is what I base my opinion upon for the comments about A6M3 "should NOT snap stall like that".

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Re: A6M3
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2011, 12:24:29 AM »
I don't think you can base these things on other flight sims, just because they are also a simulation of reality. The only way for you to find out if it performs the way it should perform is by reading it's history.


The examples in AH are the Spit-XIV Vs the Spit-XVI and the P-47M Vs the P-47N to a lessor degree.

I'd like to add to what Tupac said. Spit14 & 16 are completely different airplanes, that's why people don't like the 14 they take it up and expect it to turn better than a 16. I was going to give you a list of things that are different on spit 14 & 16 but the list of things that are the same should be a lot shorter.
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Re: A6M3
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2011, 12:46:20 AM »
I will add the server itself was kinda funky the other day. Was getting GV lag and the like. I wouldn't think lag would affect stall behavior (that's all client side) but you never know...

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Re: A6M3
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2011, 03:00:19 AM »
I'd like to add to what Tupac said. Spit14 & 16 are completely different airplanes, that's why people don't like the 14 they take it up and expect it to turn better than a 16. I was going to give you a list of things that are different on spit 14 & 16 but the list of things that are the same should be a lot shorter.
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Re: A6M3
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2011, 03:05:07 AM »
Guns.  :p

Well...that just so happened to be the case.
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