So How About No F3 in the Il-2!?!?!?

[SmokinLoon]

I wish to give HTC a HUUUGE       for removing the F3 capability from the Il-2, AND for recognizing that it is not a bomber but instead an aircraft designed and built for "direct fire support for infantry".

There is a reason for the limited view in an Il-2: more armor and less glass.  No other aircraft can take the AA punishment like the Il-2, and the Il-2 should have a worse pilot view because of it.  Just stop and look at all the extra armor surrounding the pilot.  The F3 mode in the Il-2 enabled it to do far more than it was ever able to in WWII.  Job well done for removing the F3 view for the Il-2, HTC!!!   

I think it just made the Hurricane IID more valuable.     

[Plazus]

At least we don't have to worry about people spraying their taters 1.5K out in F3 mode. A worthy fix, IMO.

[STEELE]

+1.     The hurri2D was quite a hangar queen, we'll see what happens now

[Debrody]

The hurri2D will be the same hangar queen as before 

[Karnak]

The hurri2D will be the same hangar queen as before 

Agreed.  The Il-2 is vastly more effective. I never used F3 mode and I always found the Il-2 to be much more potent than the Hurri IId.

[Lusche]

Hurri IID was even a hangar queen back in time when it was the only plane capable of killing a dreaded Tiger when ords were down on a field

[Noir]

I think that the angle required for the shells to penetrate the armor I easier to find in a hurricane.

[Lusche]

I think that the angle required for the shells to penetrate the armor I easier to find in a hurricane.

Compared to the Il-2, you have a lot less of them and with a ROF effectively reducing you to single shot fire. In the Il-2 you can afford to spray and walk your fire onto the target. And asig that weren't enough: The NS-37 is the much more powerful gun too.

With the Hurri you have to use precision, in the il-2 you can blast away.

[Noir]

The NS-37 is the much more powerful gun too.

I don't know about that. I've looked at the comparative pictures of the different shells and the Vickers S 40mm seems a far bigger shell. I know this doesn't means anything, but likewise shooting buildings is a poor method of comparison for AP shells.

As a sidenote the guns on the hurri are synchronised, making a hit with a good angle almost a sure kill. I like the fact that both choices have they advantages, while before it was a no brainer.

[Greebo]

In real life the Il-2s 37mm guns were effectively single shot as well. The unsynchronised recoil forces would spray shells all over the place if a long burst was fired. It was apparently so bad the pilot's head would be bashed from side to side against the cockpit. AH's version has too little dispersion IMO.

[KgB]

I wish to give HTC a HUUUGE       for removing the F3 capability from the Il-2, AND for recognizing that it is not a bomber but instead an aircraft designed and built for "direct fire support for infantry".

There is a reason for the limited view in an Il-2: more armor and less glass.  No other aircraft can take the AA punishment like the Il-2, and the Il-2 should have a worse pilot view because of it.  Just stop and look at all the extra armor surrounding the pilot.  The F3 mode in the Il-2 enabled it to do far more than it was ever able to in WWII.  Job well done for removing the F3 view for the Il-2, HTC!!!   

I think it just made the Hurricane IID more valuable.     

Well, without F3 i think it's only fair to add cumulative bomb payload.  Recognizing that armored GV's destroyed by IL2's were bombed is also important.

[SmokinLoon]

Agreed.  The Il-2 is vastly more effective. I never used F3 mode and I always found the Il-2 to be much more potent than the Hurri IId.

Respectfully... I think you are full of schlitz.  You "never" used F3 mode in the Il-2???  Me personaly, I used the F3 mode all the time because it is no secret that the pilot view, at least for defensive purposes, is quite lacking.  There is a reason the Soviets added a rear gunner.  I switched to the pilot view when I lined up on a target, that is it.  I'd be willing to bet that %90 of the players did at least that, I know some did the F3 mode %100 of the time.  With the F3 view disabled, the Il-2 will be a sitting duck for fighters, as they should be.     

FWIW, the Vickers S cannons are only slightly less effective round vs round against the NS-37.  The NS37 fired a lighter faster projectile while the Vickers S relied on the raw weight of the projectile.  I have the exact info on my PC at home, perhaps Loosche can post it.  I know he has it because he is where I got the comparing info from.   

[Krusty]

Uh... WRONG...

Those vickers S-guns are utter and TOTAL crap.

I've unloaded them into a single panzer before, making dozens of attacks top down, seeing hits almost every time (missing maybe 1 or 2 double-shots out of all 30 rounds total -- both guns fire same time), and not even smoked the panzer. I'm talking thin metal top of the turret, I'm talking top engine deck, I'm talking rear angle shallow engine hits...

The gun is a total piece of feces, and NOWHERE near the lethal hitting power of the NS37.

NS37 is the MOST powerful gun in the game, in terms of effectiveness. Its AP penetration is second best on any tank killer in WW2. The most lethal would be the BK guns on the Ju87G.

[lyric1]

I wish to give HTC a HUUUGE       for removing the F3 capability from the Il-2, AND for recognizing that it is not a bomber but instead an aircraft designed and built for "direct fire support for infantry".

Non issue for me. Could not hit squat in F3 mode period.

[SmokinLoon]

Uh... WRONG...

Those vickers S-guns are utter and TOTAL crap.

I've unloaded them into a single panzer before, making dozens of attacks top down, seeing hits almost every time (missing maybe 1 or 2 double-shots out of all 30 rounds total -- both guns fire same time), and not even smoked the panzer. I'm talking thin metal top of the turret, I'm talking top engine deck, I'm talking rear angle shallow engine hits...

The gun is a total piece of feces, and NOWHERE near the lethal hitting power of the NS37.

NS37 is the MOST powerful gun in the game, in terms of effectiveness. Its AP penetration is second best on any tank killer in WW2. The most lethal would be the BK guns on the Ju87G.

I know a good many people will dissagree with you about the effectiveness of the Vickers S.  It is very rare I dont get at least t1 ank kill per sorte.  Obviously the Il-2 is much easier to kill tanks with, but the rate of fire and volume of fire lends to the bulk of that.  There is only about %15-20 difference in the destructuve power of the 2 projectiles in AH, both vs OBJ and armor.