So How About No F3 in the Il-2!?!?!?

[Reaper90]

I'd like to see someone use fighter maneuvers from there.

I'd like to see anyone fly a real IL2 (or any plane for that matter) from anywhere other than the pilot's seat. This is and should be a combat flight simulator, not a cheesy arcade game. If it's cheesy arcade game you want, a lot of used Atari game consoles are for sale on ebay.

F3 view was described as the pilot being connected by radio to his crewmembers. Using a troll as absurd asis just using the same argument used against F3 in general (B-17s, B24s, G4Ms, et al didn't use towed cameras either), so I don't see why it's specifically relevant here.

I have no problem with F3 in bombers, or attack..... as an observation tool. The compromise should be all weapons are diabled in F3 mode, just as when a bomber is on the ground.

It's no troll. It's a +1 for keeping this game more accurate and less "gamey."

[Dream Child]

They aren't. They are just difficult to employ without some practice due to low rate of fire and short ammo clip, forcing the player to shoot precicely from close range & rather steep angles to make his shots count.
But in terms of ammo penetration, there is no tank in AH that the Hurri D can't destroy. Back when the Il-2 only had the 23mm gun and there was no B-25H yet, only the Hurricane D could kill a Tiger without ords. It was my main tankbusting ride for a long time for a good reason. The cannons are powerful enough to take on any tank we currently have in AH.

Sorry, but must dissagree with you on the 23mm not being able to kill a tiger in game, online or offline. It takes me 2 passes to do it, but a tiger can be killed with the 23mm from the IL-2.

[Slade]

+1

Thanks for removing F3 from the IL-2.

[Dream Child]

I must admit that I'm really sad to see the Il-2's external view go away. To me F3 didn't belong to "bombers," but to "aircraft with more than one set of eyes." I'll be the first to say the Il-2 is NOT a bomber, but I will miss F3. That said, I very rarely flew the Il-2 as an Attacker either; it was my main base defense fighter with the 23mm loadout. That school bus turns very well on the down-slope and is unmatched versus the HO monkeys (it lacks in firepower compared to the 110, but it's very well armored except the radiator). And, yes, I'll be the first to admit that I take EVERY HO opportunity I can get while fighting in the Il-2 as well...if you're dumb enough to face anti-tank cannons on purpose, you deserve it.

+1

[Dream Child]

damn time to start flying the a20 again

There was nothing quite like hitting some one 1.5k away and seeing his wing fall off.

And you can't do that now because?

[Oldman731]

I have no problem with F3 in bombers, or attack..... as an observation tool. The compromise should be all weapons are diabled in F3 mode, just as when a bomber is on the ground.

That's a pretty good idea!

- oldman

[lyric1]

That's a pretty good idea!

- oldman

Would have been my choice as well.

[AWwrgwy]

Would have been my choice as well.

Still exploitable and unless they were actually shooting from F3 also, this definitly solves the issue.

The way I thought it worked before was fly in F3, watch plane come zooming in, negative G as they overshoot, F1, pull up and spray.


wrongway

[Noir]

Just came to me head when I was flying a 110G2 earlier, the plane is a two seater as well and never got the F3 view 

[lyric1]

Just came to me head when I was flying a 110G2 earlier, the plane is a two seater as well and never got the F3 view 

I will do it again then. 

Rear view of 110 from pilots position set at optimal view.



Il-2 rear view pilots position set at optimal view.

[Noir]

it has the armor to go with...the 110G2 is a paper plane, and the main argument here is that the tailgunner is an extra set of eyes, thus giving access to F3 view.

[321BAR]

krusty whenever im GVing and i see even a single Hurri up, i fear for my life... Hurri IIC hurts enough but i dread seeing that slow Hurri IID with the 40s...

[SmokinLoon]

gents... this is exactly why I have always vouched for giving an aircraft a particular view based on its individual characteristics, and NOT based on a broad classification.

Currently, all "bombers" are given the F3 capability regardless of which views they can or can not actually see realistically.  I strongly agree with HTC removing the IL-2's F3 capability, but I think there are other aircraft out there that should be reevaluated as well.  I suggest starting from scratch and figure out which aircraft should actually be afforded the luxury of the F3 capability by virtue of what they could actually have seen in the actual aircraft. 

Aircraft without a ventral turret, or a low rear turret should not really be able to see that position.

If HTC could program it so the F3 was only available in the turret mode and not pilot mode... that may lend to a best of both worlds scenario.  *shrugs*   

[Karnak]

Should have F3:

B-17G
B-24J
B-25
B-26
B-29
Ki-67
Ju88
Lancaster
G4M1

Questionable as to whether they should have F3 or not:

TBM-3

Very questionable whether they should have F3 or not:

B5N2
D3A1
SBD-5
Ju87
Boston
A-20G
Il-2
Mosquito Mk XVI

Should not have F3, period:

Ar234

[BaldEagl]

Uh... WRONG...

Those vickers S-guns are utter and TOTAL crap.

I've unloaded them into a single panzer before, making dozens of attacks top down, seeing hits almost every time (missing maybe 1 or 2 double-shots out of all 30 rounds total -- both guns fire same time), and not even smoked the panzer. I'm talking thin metal top of the turret, I'm talking top engine deck, I'm talking rear angle shallow engine hits...

The gun is a total piece of feces, and NOWHERE near the lethal hitting power of the NS37.

Then you must really suck.

Hurri IID was a regilar tank busting ride for me before the advent of the IL-II and it will blow any tank in the game out.  THe most you need to take out a Panzer is two rounds.